Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:29:26 06/18/01
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On June 18, 2001 at 15:13:57, Chris Carson wrote: >On June 18, 2001 at 14:34:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>Mark, everything falls apart in the presence of your ignorance. >> >>to wit: >> >>For a GM to earn the title "International Grandmaster" he _must_ (and there are >>no exceptions) produce a 2600+ rating over 24 games. >> > >Bob, no need to call anyone ignorant. > If someone _refuses_ to stick with the thread topic, then that definitely is a form of ignorance. If someone is trying to look for a small thing that can be zoomed in on to be viewed as a "mistake" then that is another form. The discussion was "what is needed to become a grandmaster". Not what was needed 25 years ago, nor what was needed 100 years ago. But what is needed _now_. And for a long time now, the requirements have been very specific. The only thing I wasn't aware of was the 24 game requirement. I had always seen it refered to as "I need 3 norms to get the title..." and I assumed that 3 norms were needed. It seems that a "norm" is really an 8-game norm, which is fine by me. But clearly, under present-day rules, _nobody_ can earn the title of GM with a peak rating < 2500. And _clearly_ nobody can earn the title of GM without playing at a 2600 level for 24 games. Both of which I said clearly and concisely previously.. >One 2600+ can be over 9 games, the 24 games is for the 2500. Also, there are >exceptions where a single performance can get you the GM title without the 2500 >and two 2600 norms (9 game minimum for a norm): That isn't the way I read it. The "norms" are defined as 2600+ performance ratings in single events. IE it is more common to see a "category X" event where you have to get a score of Y to earn a norm. Y always turns into a performance rating of 2600 for that event. The stronger the players, the lower Y is, of course... The way I read the rule is (a) a 2500+ official FIDE rating within 7 years of earning the norms, and (b) a 2600+ TPR over 24 games to meet the "norm" requirement. But I read it as _both_ must be done... > >1.1 Grandmaster: Obtained by achieving any of the following: > >1.11 Two or more GM results in events covering at least 24 games (30 games >without a round robin or Olympiad) and a rating of at least 2500 in the FIDE >Rating List current at the time the FIDE Congress considers the application, or >within seven years of the first title result being achieved. (See 1.7, 10.10) >(GA '93) > >1.12 Qualification for the Candidates Competition for the World Championship. > >1.13 One GM result in a FIDE Interzonal tournament. > >1.14 Winning the Women's World Championship match. (GA '93) > >1.15 Winner on tiebreak in the World Junior Championship. (GA '93 and EB '99) > >1.16 A tie for first place in the World Junior Championship is equivalent to >one 9-game GM result. (GA '93) > >1.17 Winner on tiebreak in the Continental Individual or Continental Junior >Championship is equivalent to one 9-game GM result. (GA '95 and EB '99) Arab and >Centro American - Caribbean Youth events will be treated as Continental >Championships. (GA '93) > >1.18 Clear first place in the Women's Candidates Tournament is equivalent to >one 9-game GM result. (GA '93) > >1.19 One 13-game GM result in the Olympiad will lead to the award of the full >title. (GA '93). > >1.20 Winner of the World Senior Championship (GA 97) > >So the 2500 rating and the two 2600 performances is only one way to get the >title. > >Best Regards, >Chris Carson I don't think most of those are easier than the normal requirement. IE to win an interzonal, you must _also_ win your local zonal tournament (I don't think these even exist anymore but they did for years.) So you had to produce a truly remarkable performance to win your zonal and then the inter-zonal events. None of which will have any 2300-level players... And there are some others that many don't like. IE Tal Shaked is one recent case that got chewed up badly the first time he entered a GM-only event after he received the title for winning something like the world junior title or something similar... But for this discussion, _none_ of those matter. The zonal/interzonals don't exist any more that I know of. They were an artifact of the 3-year championship cycle of the 70's and so forth. The rest can _not_ be done by a computer, so they really don't fit this thread either...
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