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Subject: Re: Gravy for the brain that supports a 2500+ elo standard for computer GM's

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 14:52:43 06/18/01

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On June 18, 2001 at 17:28:55, Mark Young wrote:

>I.      Below is the 11 top countries with the most GM's
>
>II.     In the Top 11 countries the one with the highest GM average is Ukraine
>        at 2545.30 Elo with 37 GM's
>
>III.    In the Top 11 countries the one with the lowest GM average is
>        Yugoslavia at 2479.46 with 41 GM's
>
>
>I think it is important to understand what it means to be an average Grandmaster
>when discussing what we mean by GM strength for computers. Some in this forum
>seem to insist that computers must perform like the Elite Grandmaster’s. Before
>anyone considers them to be playing at Grandmaster strength.
>
>This shows a lack of understanding in what a normal Grandmaster is, and what the
>true strength of a normal or average grandmaster is, and their abilities, and
>Elo status.
>
>Titles      Country        GM  Average rating GM   IM  Average rating IM
>1           Russia         119  2545.28            304  2415.07
>2           Germany        49   2509.14            146  2401.75
>3           United States  48   2507.50             79  2408.19
>4           Yugoslavia     41   2479.46             94  2383.39
>5           Ukraine        37   2545.30            116  2422.35
>6           England        33   2523.91             42  2381.86
>7           Israel         32   2535.63             31  2404.19
>8           Hungary        28   2491.89             91  2372.02
>9           France         22   2539.36             43  2386.12
>10          Bulgaria       20   2499.35             44  2366.89
>11          Spain          18   2486.28             46  2406.15

ELO is not the only feature of what it means to be a GM.  The qualifications may
have been relaxed recently, or maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly.  In any
case,
From:
http://handbook.fide.com/handbook.cgi?level=B&level=01&level=01&
we have:

"1.0. Requirements for the titles designated in 0.31.

1.1  Grandmaster: Obtained by achieving any of the following:

1.11  Two or more GM results in events covering at least 24 games (30 games
without a round robin or Olympiad) and a rating of at least 2500 in the FIDE
Rating List current at the time the FIDE Congress considers the application, or
within seven years of the first title result being achieved. (See 1.7, 10.10)
(GA '93)

1.12  Qualification for the Candidates Competition for the World Championship.

1.13  One GM result in a FIDE Interzonal tournament.

1.14  Winning the Women's World Championship match. (GA '93)

1.15  Winner on tiebreak in the World Junior Championship. (GA '93 and EB '99)

1.16  A tie for first place in the World Junior Championship is equivalent to
one 9-game GM result. (GA '93)

1.17  Winner on tiebreak in the Continental Individual or Continental Junior
Championship is equivalent to one 9-game GM result. (GA '95 and EB '99) Arab and
Centro American - Caribbean Youth events will be treated as Continental
Championships. (GA '93)

1.18  Clear first place in the Women's Candidates Tournament is equivalent to
one 9-game GM result. (GA '93)

1.19  One 13-game GM result in the Olympiad will lead to the award of the full
title. (GA '93).

1.20  Winner of the World Senior Championship (GA 97)"


Especially interesting is 1.13.  If a chess program has had a GM result in an
interzonal, then it is a GM!

Has any such match taken place?



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