Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:34:36 06/18/01
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On June 18, 2001 at 17:59:32, Andrew Dados wrote: >On June 18, 2001 at 17:52:43, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On June 18, 2001 at 17:28:55, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>I. Below is the 11 top countries with the most GM's >>> >>>II. In the Top 11 countries the one with the highest GM average is Ukraine >>> at 2545.30 Elo with 37 GM's >>> >>>III. In the Top 11 countries the one with the lowest GM average is >>> Yugoslavia at 2479.46 with 41 GM's >>> >>> >>>I think it is important to understand what it means to be an average Grandmaster >>>when discussing what we mean by GM strength for computers. Some in this forum >>>seem to insist that computers must perform like the Elite Grandmaster?s. Before >>>anyone considers them to be playing at Grandmaster strength. >>> >>>This shows a lack of understanding in what a normal Grandmaster is, and what the >>>true strength of a normal or average grandmaster is, and their abilities, and >>>Elo status. >>> >>>Titles Country GM Average rating GM IM Average rating IM >>>1 Russia 119 2545.28 304 2415.07 >>>2 Germany 49 2509.14 146 2401.75 >>>3 United States 48 2507.50 79 2408.19 >>>4 Yugoslavia 41 2479.46 94 2383.39 >>>5 Ukraine 37 2545.30 116 2422.35 >>>6 England 33 2523.91 42 2381.86 >>>7 Israel 32 2535.63 31 2404.19 >>>8 Hungary 28 2491.89 91 2372.02 >>>9 France 22 2539.36 43 2386.12 >>>10 Bulgaria 20 2499.35 44 2366.89 >>>11 Spain 18 2486.28 46 2406.15 >> >>ELO is not the only feature of what it means to be a GM. The qualifications may >>have been relaxed recently, or maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly. In any >>case, >>From: >>http://handbook.fide.com/handbook.cgi?level=B&level=01&level=01& >>we have: >> >>"1.0. Requirements for the titles designated in 0.31. >> >>1.1 Grandmaster: Obtained by achieving any of the following: >> >>1.11 Two or more GM results in events covering at least 24 games (30 games >>without a round robin or Olympiad) and a rating of at least 2500 in the FIDE >>Rating List current at the time the FIDE Congress considers the application, or >>within seven years of the first title result being achieved. (See 1.7, 10.10) >>(GA '93) >> >>1.12 Qualification for the Candidates Competition for the World Championship. >> >>1.13 One GM result in a FIDE Interzonal tournament. >> >>1.14 Winning the Women's World Championship match. (GA '93) >> >>1.15 Winner on tiebreak in the World Junior Championship. (GA '93 and EB '99) >> >>1.16 A tie for first place in the World Junior Championship is equivalent to >>one 9-game GM result. (GA '93) >> >>1.17 Winner on tiebreak in the Continental Individual or Continental Junior >>Championship is equivalent to one 9-game GM result. (GA '95 and EB '99) Arab and >>Centro American - Caribbean Youth events will be treated as Continental >>Championships. (GA '93) >> >>1.18 Clear first place in the Women's Candidates Tournament is equivalent to >>one 9-game GM result. (GA '93) >> >>1.19 One 13-game GM result in the Olympiad will lead to the award of the full >>title. (GA '93). >> >>1.20 Winner of the World Senior Championship (GA 97)" >> >> >>Especially interesting is 1.13. If a chess program has had a GM result in an >>interzonal, then it is a GM! >> >>Has any such match taken place? > >Dann, a comp player was never allowed to play in any interzonal and never >will... > >Just for clarification - Interzonal FIDE tournaments are one of steps in >competing for FIDE world master title. Each country has some number of allowed >entries to interzonals. Then 2-3 winners qualify to Candidate Competition. > >-Andrew- Actually I think you are off one level. The zonal tournaments used to come first. The winners went to the interzonal, and the winner played the WC. This cycle was repeated every 3 years for a long while, but now seems defunct.
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