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Subject: Re: Gravy for the brain that supports a 2500+ elo standard for computer GM's

Author: martin fierz

Date: 01:38:47 06/19/01

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On June 18, 2001 at 17:28:55, Mark Young wrote:

[snip]
>I think it is important to understand what it means to be an average Grandmaster
>when discussing what we mean by GM strength for computers. Some in this forum
>seem to insist that computers must perform like the Elite Grandmaster’s. Before
>anyone considers them to be playing at Grandmaster strength.
>
>This shows a lack of understanding in what a normal Grandmaster is, and what the
>true strength of a normal or average grandmaster is, and their abilities, and
>Elo status.
[snip]

in my team there are 4 players with a swiss rating of about 2300 - two of them
are fide masters and 2 are not (i am one of the 'not'). is there a difference?
and where is it? real playing strength at the chess board, what we would call
performance, and what is reflected by the rating, is a number - *one* number.
however, this number is the result of many different factors. example: 2 of
these 4 players really know much more about chess than i do, but they often
get into time trouble. when i discuss positions with them, i see completely
clearly that they understand more than i do. but in a practical game they are
no better than i am because they often blunder in time trouble. another one
of us 4 has this incredible memory - he isnt working harder on his
openings than the others, but he just remembers. a part of his strength is
that he plays the opening very well because he knows so much. one of the 2
time trouble guys has a rather unstable love life and has big ups and
downs because this affects him.
our 2 time trouble guys have 2400 understanding - if they play an IM and dont
get into time trouble, they can outplay him and win. i have also won a couple
of games against IMs but it was mostly just a lucky punch because i calculate
well and they dont when they are in time trouble - i don't outplay them because
i don't understand chess on a 2400 level.

what i want to tell you with this is: computers will equal the performance of
a grandmaster in a tournament - i think we all agree on this. 2500 is GM
strength. but in the sense of understanding, they are a long way off.

cheers
  martin



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