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Subject: Re: Gravy for the brain that supports a 2500+ elo standard for computer GM's

Author: Mark Young

Date: 02:44:07 06/19/01

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On June 19, 2001 at 05:15:30, Vine Smith wrote:

>On June 19, 2001 at 03:49:07, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 19, 2001 at 00:31:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 2001 at 18:01:49, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Nice summary Mark.  Calculate the overall average for GM's, I did it last year
>>>>and it was around 2525.   Programs are performaing higher than that and
>>>>performance is the only thing that matters in my opinion.  :)
>>>>
>>>>I for one do not care about a title, but the performance is the key.  :)
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson
>>>
>>>
>>>Several points:
>>>
>>>1.  anyone check the _age_ of each GM being 'averaged' into this mess?  IE
>>>a 75 year old GM is still a GM, but won't have much of a rating.
>>>
>>>2.  anyhone check to make sure ratings were current?  IE Fischer's rating is
>>>not particularly interesting since it is 30 years old and from a different
>>>rating era.
>>>
>>>The main problem is probably age.  Just like the "baby-boomers" are threatening
>>>retirement systems around the world, they are also moving up into the "older-GM"
>>>group as well.  If you have more old GM players, then you will have a lower
>>>overall GM average.  Which means exactly nothing of course.
>>
>>This is data from the latest Fide list. If you think the data is flawed....Old
>>Grandmasters, Out of date Grandmasters, mistakes in calculations, or just fraud
>>etc. Then make your case with data not theory. It's easy to bluster, it much
>>harder to do the work to prove the case as I and others are doing.
>Gee, I thought it was "harder to do the work" of programming computers to play
>chess. But now I see that Prof. Hyatt should just give up improving Crafty's
>code, and instead compile masses of statistics to prove that its rating is 2500,
>2600 or whatever. New versions of Crafty will consist of countless pages of ever
>more refined calculations always resulting in higher Elo ratings.

Then I suggest he keep working on crafty, and stop making false and misleading
claims about what a grandmasters is, Since Dr. Hyatt does not have the time to
find out and to check his facts.



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