Author: Mark Young
Date: 02:44:07 06/19/01
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On June 19, 2001 at 05:15:30, Vine Smith wrote: >On June 19, 2001 at 03:49:07, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 19, 2001 at 00:31:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On June 18, 2001 at 18:01:49, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>Nice summary Mark. Calculate the overall average for GM's, I did it last year >>>>and it was around 2525. Programs are performaing higher than that and >>>>performance is the only thing that matters in my opinion. :) >>>> >>>>I for one do not care about a title, but the performance is the key. :) >>>> >>>>Best Regards, >>>>Chris Carson >>> >>> >>>Several points: >>> >>>1. anyone check the _age_ of each GM being 'averaged' into this mess? IE >>>a 75 year old GM is still a GM, but won't have much of a rating. >>> >>>2. anyhone check to make sure ratings were current? IE Fischer's rating is >>>not particularly interesting since it is 30 years old and from a different >>>rating era. >>> >>>The main problem is probably age. Just like the "baby-boomers" are threatening >>>retirement systems around the world, they are also moving up into the "older-GM" >>>group as well. If you have more old GM players, then you will have a lower >>>overall GM average. Which means exactly nothing of course. >> >>This is data from the latest Fide list. If you think the data is flawed....Old >>Grandmasters, Out of date Grandmasters, mistakes in calculations, or just fraud >>etc. Then make your case with data not theory. It's easy to bluster, it much >>harder to do the work to prove the case as I and others are doing. >Gee, I thought it was "harder to do the work" of programming computers to play >chess. But now I see that Prof. Hyatt should just give up improving Crafty's >code, and instead compile masses of statistics to prove that its rating is 2500, >2600 or whatever. New versions of Crafty will consist of countless pages of ever >more refined calculations always resulting in higher Elo ratings. Then I suggest he keep working on crafty, and stop making false and misleading claims about what a grandmasters is, Since Dr. Hyatt does not have the time to find out and to check his facts.
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