Author: Bill Gletsos
Date: 03:31:33 06/19/01
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On June 19, 2001 at 03:49:07, Mark Young wrote: >On June 19, 2001 at 00:31:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 18, 2001 at 18:01:49, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>Nice summary Mark. Calculate the overall average for GM's, I did it last year >>>and it was around 2525. Programs are performaing higher than that and >>>performance is the only thing that matters in my opinion. :) >>> >>>I for one do not care about a title, but the performance is the key. :) >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Chris Carson >> >> >>Several points: >> >>1. anyone check the _age_ of each GM being 'averaged' into this mess? IE >>a 75 year old GM is still a GM, but won't have much of a rating. >> >>2. anyhone check to make sure ratings were current? IE Fischer's rating is >>not particularly interesting since it is 30 years old and from a different >>rating era. >> >>The main problem is probably age. Just like the "baby-boomers" are threatening >>retirement systems around the world, they are also moving up into the "older-GM" >>group as well. If you have more old GM players, then you will have a lower >>overall GM average. Which means exactly nothing of course. > >This is data from the latest Fide list. If you think the data is flawed....Old >Grandmasters, Out of date Grandmasters, mistakes in calculations, or just fraud >etc. Then make your case with data not theory. It's easy to bluster, it much >harder to do the work to prove the case as I and others are doing. You accuse Bob of blustering but it it you who are blustering. You can draw any conclusion when you use data in a flawed manner. What Bob said above is correct. A simple example is the great Danish grandmaster Bent Larsen. Now 66 years old he is rated 2487. Not even GM strength to use your flawed criteria. But Larsen was a giant in his prime and during the whole of the 1970's was always over 2600 peaking at 2660. In fact on every rating list in the 70's Larsen was always in the top 10 in the world often in the top 5. And this was back when a 2600 rating placed you in the top twenty of the world. The same case can be made for ex world champion V. Smyslov currently rated 2491 and 80 years old or for S. Gligoric currently rated 2481 and 78 years old. From a statistical viewpoint your method is extremely flawed. From reading your profile your obvious idol Mr Spock from Vulcan would never be so illogical.
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