Author: Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Date: 08:51:46 06/19/01
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On June 19, 2001 at 11:31:15, Dan Andersson wrote: >> >>Therefore, using a list of -2500 GM's in support of an argument that >>2500 ELO is enough to be a GM is still flawed, because their title >>is irrespective of their current strength. > > This discussion is about what a GM is, and by that definition classify >computers as GM strenght. Yep. No definition that is agreeable for everyone has been found yet and some people still have the idea they can actually find one. >And the evidence seems to point to the fact that they >are there, or at least close. Thats your interpretation. Other people will disagree with your definition, with your data and your interpretation of it. 'Evidence' is a really bad word for those reasons. >But then some people began using arguments based >on subjective (and undefined) criteria as understanding and lack of >understanding of certain points of the game. And after that they begun to say >that some GM's are too old, too weak... Thus trying to change the definition of >what a GM is. What I saw (I didn't see everything, I have more to do than read this forum all day) was someone using a list of sub-2500 ELO GM's to support his statement that 2500 ELO is enough to be a GM. Robert pointed out the flaws in that statement by using an example of old GM's. Someone tried to refute the general argument by attacking the example. That's obviously flawed, and this is what I pointed out. You want to know my opinion? I think comparing GM's and computers is senseless. And if you are going to do it anyway based on the criteria for a GM title, you don't have enough reliable data (yet). So people here can argue all they want, I'm not going to be convinced that computers are or aren't GM strength ever. I could agree with the statement that a certain computer meets the criteria for a GM title, if that would ever happen AND computers are included in all FIDE rating lists AND sufficient time is given to let the ratings settle. And that is not going to happen anytime soon... -- GCP
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