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Subject: Re: A logical look at how Dr. Hyatt and others want to cherry pick data

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:56:57 06/19/01

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On June 19, 2001 at 10:49:07, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On June 19, 2001 at 10:30:36, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>The argument that Dr Hyatt and others are using in the data is skewed because
>>some of the grandmasters are too old in the ratings list, and these old
>>grandmasters are no longer playing at a GM Level. This is suppressing the
>>average GM rating.
>
>I think you missed the point of his argument, which is that
>a GM title is based on the strength a player at a certain time.
>
>The strength of that player can change, even worsen, but the
>GM title will stay.
>
>The age of the player is just one cause, but the most obvious one.
>
>The GM's below 2500 can be having a bad period, or already be
>over their top. If they were prodigys they can be well over their
>top at their 20's already.
>
>The point Robert is making is that the GM title is awarded for
>a peak performance, relative to the entire life of a GM.
>
>This is why your saying that there are GM's below 2500, hence
>2500 is a good mark to be a GM, is flawed.
>
>--
>GCP

He would miss a point?  never.

:)

I don't buy the idea that at some "age" we consider them over the hill, any
more than I buy that for mandatory retirement requirements that are set in most
states here in the USA.  I would no longer consider a GM in the "average rating"
calculation if his rating has dropped significantly from his peak.  IE GM Edward
Lasker was probably a 2300 player when he played chess 4.x a match several years
ago.  Nowhere near his peak.  Korchnoi is _still_ a handfull for any chess
player.




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