Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 13:05:53 06/19/01
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On June 18, 2001 at 18:17:22, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On June 18, 2001 at 16:26:14, A.L.Mourik wrote: > >>On June 18, 2001 at 15:13:21, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>On June 18, 2001 at 10:50:32, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>My Reply to Bram Mourik, Rebel Forum >>>> >>>>To see all lines please go to the Rebel Forum. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Good Work Bram! I haven't had time to study _all_ your side lines, but I looked >>>>more deeply into you _Mainline_ and found an important variation, which again >>>>appears to draw! *Sigh* >>>>I will post _only_ the new variation from your _mainline_, so as to keep it >>>>clear. >>>> >>>>37.Bxd5 Nf5 38.Kf2 Kg7 39.Kf3 Nd6 40.Na2 f6 41.Ke2 Bb5+ 42.Kd1 Nf5 43.Bxb3 Nxe3+ >>>>44.Kc1 Nf5 45.d5 Nd4 46.Bd1 Be2 47.Nc3 Bc4 48.h4 fxg5 49.fxg5 Kf7 50.Kb1 Ke7 >>>>51.Ka1 Nf5 52.h5 -0.69/16 3 gxh5 -0.72/13 3 53.Bxh5 -0.69/12 2 Nd4 -0.69/17 2:27 >>>>54.g6 -0.75/13 4 Nc2+ -0.69/12 1 55.Kb1 -0.87/14 4 hxg6 -0.69/13 5 56.Bxg6 >>>>-0.66/12 1 Line >>>> >>>>I used Fritz6 as an aid, but again it isn't >>>>clear that we the Web have a certain win. >>>> >>>>52.h5! by White seems to hold Tigers' Game. >>>> >>>>Nonetheless, I'm impressed with this level of analysis!! >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>Please check this refutation, at the Rebel Forum. Thanks! >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> Terry >>>> >>>> >>>>P.S. I believe at the moment the web has a draw with an advantage for Black. >>>> But it's unlikely we have a forced win. Too many resources for White. >>>> >>>> Although, White made an error on move 28 with 28.exd5? and a small error >>>> again with 31.Ne4?!, so it's certainly possible that GT 2.0 may make >>>> slip. If Tiger makes another inaccurate move, then the Web will most likey >>>> have a win. I think this endgame may be too hard for GT 2.0 to handle well, >>>> thus the chance to win is relatively good. (It's tough for _all_ programs) >>>> If the web keeps up it's high level of play I think within the next few >>>> moves we will see GT 2.0 probably start to misplay the position thus >>>> making it possible for the Web to win. >>>> The next 10 moves will be critical for White, so patience should yield >>>> dividends for us The Web. >>> >>> >>>Terry at depth 21 it is very hard to see the draw, but not everybody has a >>>machine with the capability of reaching depth 24 and beyond if possible like Ed >>>Panek. >>> >>>Pichard. >> >>Dear Pichard, >>you presume it is only a few plies more search depth to show us that you are >>right ?? >> >>I think it is more modest to show your own homecooking in the Rebel forum before >>to make such statements. > > >I let my AMD Athlon 800 MHz play itself Using GT II at 5 Minutes per move and >I stopped the computer after this move, since Black has an evaluation of 4.82 >which is sufficient to win, plus it was going to force the exchange sooner or >later of the remaining white's knight. But As I mentioned earlier, it is Ed >Panek computer that is playing which is much faster. > > > > >37.Bxd5 Nf5 38. Kf2 Kg7 39. Kf3 Nd6 40. Na2 Na5 41. Bd2 Bb3 42. Bxb3 Nxb3 43. >Be3 f6 44. d5 Kf7 45. Nb4 Nc4 46. Bf2 Ncd2+ 47. Kg2 Nc1 48. Bd4 f5 49. Kf2 a2 >50. Nc2 Nc4 51. Nb4 Nb3 52. Nxa2 Nxd4 53. Nc3 Ke7 54. Kg3 Kd6 55. Kf2 Kc5 56. h3 >Nb6 > >Pichard. I had connection promblems last night and couldn't reply. Gambit Tiger II should play better than this at greater depths, however I feel this is a good indicater on how to proceed agaisnt the "Silcon Tiger"! After reading this with coupled with prelimanary analysis, it would appear that after 39.Kf3..Nd6!? would make the most effective weapon against this "Beast" with good chances to put the "Cat in the Bag" so to speak;) I think The Web has good chances to win in this type of ending, GT 2.0 seems not able to handle what otherwise should be a draw. Regards, Terry McCracken
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