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Subject: Re: A logical look at how Dr. Hyatt and others want to cherry pick data

Author: Bill Gletsos

Date: 17:31:23 06/19/01

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On June 19, 2001 at 11:01:30, Mark Young wrote:

>On June 19, 2001 at 10:49:07, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On June 19, 2001 at 10:30:36, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>The argument that Dr Hyatt and others are using in the data is skewed because
>>>some of the grandmasters are too old in the ratings list, and these old
>>>grandmasters are no longer playing at a GM Level. This is suppressing the
>>>average GM rating.
>>
>>I think you missed the point of his argument, which is that
>>a GM title is based on the strength a player at a certain time.
>>
>>The strength of that player can change, even worsen, but the
>>GM title will stay.
>>
>>The age of the player is just one cause, but the most obvious one.
>>
>>The GM's below 2500 can be having a bad period, or already be
>>over their top. If they were prodigys they can be well over their
>>top at their 20's already.
>>
>>The point Robert is making is that the GM title is awarded for
>>a peak performance, relative to the entire life of a GM.
>
>This is not correct, and has already been addressed in the prev. posts.
>
>The Title is not awarded for peak performance relative to the entire life of the
>GM. All it take to became a GM is 2500+ ELO and 2 norms. That is it, Why do you
>guys insist that at computer play as an Elite Grandmaster before it is
>considered playing at a normal Grandmaster level, This makes no sense.

Its you who make no sense.
Where did Bob say computers have to perform like Elite GM's.
What has been said many times and you seeming choose to ignore is:

To earn the GM title you need a 2 or more GM norms over a minimum of 24 games
and a rating of 2500+.
A GM norm is a minimum TRP of 2600 in a tournament of at least 9 rounds(plus
some other conditions). Matches dont count.

You cant show me where a single computer program has earned a 2600 TPR at long
time controls over 24 games. Even if you do count matches you still cant.

>
>>
>>This is why your saying that there are GM's below 2500, hence
>>2500 is a good mark to be a GM, is flawed.
>
>No it is not flawed by cause your statment is not correct.
>
>
>
>>
>>--
>>GCP



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