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Subject: Re: What is:Kramnik really saying about Fritz's strength? - GM level??

Author: Mark Young

Date: 14:32:35 06/21/01

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On June 21, 2001 at 17:19:55, Charles Milton Ling wrote:

>On June 21, 2001 at 16:38:58, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 21, 2001 at 09:41:01, Pierre Bourget wrote:
>>
>>>From an interview at Kasparovchess site:
>>>
>>>One more serious contest is in store for you, the match with a computer. How are
>>>you preparing for this match? It’s common knowledge that, in preparing for duels
>>>with humans, you don’t rely on a computer’s help much.
>>>
>>>It’s true that I prefer to work in the good old fashion. Well, certainly I will
>>>play training games at home. According to the contract, I will obtain the
>>>printouts of the DeepFritz games in late summer.
>>>
>>>I take this match very seriously and I really believe that the computer will be
>>>a hard nut to crack. The rumors that DeepFritz is a far cry from DeepBlue are
>>>not true to life. I don’t think that DeepFritz is much weaker than DeepBlue.
>>>However, I know that the programmers have made vast headway in the past three
>>>years. Fritz’s play is getting stronger every year. At some moments the machine
>>>really acquires human features – for instance, it sacrifices material with a
>>>view to gaining the initiative. So I am not at all sure that I will be a success
>>>at this match. Of course, the world’s strongest chess players are better at
>>>evaluating positions than computers, but people can get tired and get caught in
>>>time trouble and so on. The end of the match will be the most difficult stage of
>>>all.
>>
>>Kramnik:
>>"I really believe that the computer will be
>>a hard nut to crack."
>>
>>Kramnik:
>>"The rumors that DeepFritz is a far cry from DeepBlue are
>>not true to life."
>>
>>Kramnik:
>>"I don’t think that DeepFritz is much weaker than DeepBlue."
>>
>>Kramnik:
>>"At some moments the machine
>>really acquires human features – for instance, it sacrifices material with a
>>view to gaining the initiative. So I am not at all sure that I will be a success
>>at this match"
>>
>>The questions that crosses my mind when reading Kramnik’s statements:
>>
>>I.	Is this hype for the upcoming match?
>>II.	Does GM Kramnik really think he may not beat Fritz?
>>III.	How strong does GM Kramnik think Deep Blue was?
>>IV.	Is GM Kramnik saying Fritz is competitive at the Elite GM level?
>>V.	Is GM Kramnik saying Fritz is a GM Level program?
>>VI.	Are we to take GM Kramnik statements as true in his own mind?
>
>Obviously, my comments can be nothing more than conjecture, but I would say:
>
>I. Yes - a little bit.
>II. Yes - a very little bit.
>III. He probably (and I think rightly) assumes that Kasparov was the worst
>choice among the Super GMs to play the program/machine.  In other words, it was
>more Kasparov losing than DB winning.  This could then lead to the conclusion
>that Fritz is almost as unpleasant.
>IV. I don't interpret his comments that way.  I doubt that he thinks so.

I only think this because the World Champion said he my not best Firtz, and you
can not get much more Elite then the World Champion. I take that as meaning
Kramnik think Fritz is competitive at the Elite Level, not better.


>V. Yes, I think *that* interpretation is reasonable.  After all, what does "GM"
>mean these days?  Top 700, or something like that.
>VI. I have yet to hear Kramnik (and I thank him for it) say something he
>obviously knows is false.
>
>To repeat: mere conjecture...
>
>Charley



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