Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:27:55 06/21/01
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On June 21, 2001 at 18:23:49, Peter McKenzie wrote: >On June 21, 2001 at 17:28:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 21, 2001 at 16:38:58, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On June 21, 2001 at 09:41:01, Pierre Bourget wrote: >>> >>>>From an interview at Kasparovchess site: >>>> >>>>One more serious contest is in store for you, the match with a computer. How are >>>>you preparing for this match? It?s common knowledge that, in preparing for duels >>>>with humans, you don?t rely on a computer?s help much. >>>> >>>>It?s true that I prefer to work in the good old fashion. Well, certainly I will >>>>play training games at home. According to the contract, I will obtain the >>>>printouts of the DeepFritz games in late summer. >>>> >>>>I take this match very seriously and I really believe that the computer will be >>>>a hard nut to crack. The rumors that DeepFritz is a far cry from DeepBlue are >>>>not true to life. I don?t think that DeepFritz is much weaker than DeepBlue. >>>>However, I know that the programmers have made vast headway in the past three >>>>years. Fritz?s play is getting stronger every year. At some moments the machine >>>>really acquires human features - for instance, it sacrifices material with a >>>>view to gaining the initiative. So I am not at all sure that I will be a success >>>>at this match. Of course, the world?s strongest chess players are better at >>>>evaluating positions than computers, but people can get tired and get caught in >>>>time trouble and so on. The end of the match will be the most difficult stage of >>>>all. >>> >>>Kramnik: >>>"I really believe that the computer will be >>>a hard nut to crack." >>> >>>Kramnik: >>>"The rumors that DeepFritz is a far cry from DeepBlue are >>>not true to life." >>> >>>Kramnik: >>>"I don?t think that DeepFritz is much weaker than DeepBlue." >> >> >>Kasparov said _exactly_ the same thing _before_ the match. After the match, >>he said "this was something totally new and unexpected." > > >I think Fritz has improved significantly since that statement was made, the >software is better and it runs on faster hardware. > Fritz hasn't improved enough to discuss when DB was capable of searching 200M to 1B nodes per second. All the hardware in the world wouldn't get Fritz to within 10% of that total... > >> >>Which statement was correct? foresight or hindsight? > >It is possible that both statements are correct. Can't be. They are diametrically opposed. > >> >> >> >> >>> >>>Kramnik: >>>"At some moments the machine >>>really acquires human features - for instance, it sacrifices material with a >>>view to gaining the initiative. So I am not at all sure that I will be a success >>>at this match" >>> >>>The questions that crosses my mind when reading Kramnik?s statements: >>> >>>I. Is this hype for the upcoming match? >> >>It is fear of looking foolish. IE should he lose to Fritz, he _has_ to >>say something to make it look no worse than Kasparov losing to Deep Blue. >>He couldn't _possibly_ say "deep fritz is nowhere near deep blue" and then, >>should the unthinkable happen and he gets blasted, have to face the public >>after losing to something much worse than DB." >> >> >> >> >>>II. Does GM Kramnik really think he may not beat Fritz? >>>III. How strong does GM Kramnik think Deep Blue was? >> >> >>I'd bet he has _no_ idea, that he hasn't talked to anyone that really knows >>anything about deep blue at all. He is either talking to the ChessBase guys >>(the same ones that told Kasparov that if he practiced against Fritz he would >>be well-prepared to play DB2) or talking to people that simply don't know. >> >>Either is not a big deal since he doesn't have to play deep blue, which means >>that no matter what he says about DB, it won't be confirmed or disproven. >> >> >> >>>IV. Is GM Kramnik saying Fritz is competitive at the Elite GM level? >>>V. Is GM Kramnik saying Fritz is a GM Level program? >>>VI. Are we to take GM Kramnik statements as true in his own mind? >> >>When the coach of the #1 college team in the nation prepares to play the #30 >>team, what does he say? "I expect we will blow them out without working up a >>sweat?" or "I expect this to be a really tough game. They are going to be >>motivated by our #1 rating, and they have some really superb players on their >>offense and defense. We will be hard-pressed to win this game and probably >>the team that gets the most lucky breaks will come away with the victory." >> >>Do you think the coach would ever say anything else? IE provide "locker room" >>incentives for the opposing coaches to use? In that light, how would you take >>Kramnik's comments?
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