Author: Thoralf Karlsson
Date: 12:32:56 04/27/98
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On April 27, 1998 at 11:26:53, Ed Schröder wrote: >>If Fritz autoplayer is clean, does it increases the possibility of >>future Rebel coming into SSDF again? I hope so! > >I don't think so. Rebel and auto232 has always been PUBLIC. Hidden >autoplayers have an advantage above the public ones. This is unfair >competition. Hi Ed, If I understand you correctly, you haven't so far found any signs of cheating when Fritz5's autoplayer is used against Rebel 9. If yours and Enriques further testing confirms this, I presume that the hypothesis of cheating can be put aside. You say that hidden autoplayers have an advantage above the public ones and that this is unfair competition. I agree that it costs more for you to play manually against Fritz 5 than for ChessBase to play automatically against your program. Still I cannot understand why it should be a task for SSDF to secure that the economical conditions for chess programming are equal. As far as I can see they are probably rather unequal, even if all autoplayers were public. You said in an email that it would have been OK for you if SSDF had played the Fritz 5-games manually. But assuming that there is no cheating, why would it be better if SSDF used an extremely slow (and by the way practically speaking impossible) way of confirming the rating of Fritz 5? The rating would still be the same apart from statistical variations. The original reason for the SSDF rating list was to give the consumers information about the relative strengths of chess computers/programs. A buyer of Fritz 5 wants, among other things, to know how good it plays against other computers. I don't think that they care if the production costs has been somewhat higher or lower. A question: If ChessBase would release their autoplayer, would then everything be OK for you? > >Furthermore I regret the silence of the SSDF very much. 4 main chess >programmers have complained. The complaints are from end of February. >Now we are 2 months further. No official answer, just silence, silence >and silence. Some of the firsts complaints came from Ossi Weiner in a group email, which I responded. He didn't react on my answers but instead sent several new emails with fierce attacks on the SSDF rating list. Many other persons on CCC and in the group emails answered Weiners letters, so in my opinion it wasn't so urgent to answer them. Several persons, some known, some unknown have received answers to their private emails concerning Fritz 5. Some answers have also been given in group emails. I have answered three of your emails, although I admit it took unnecessarily long time. You know that I have sent emails to most of the programmers asking them about the possibilites for cheating with auto232, and other questions. This has been done in an honest effort to take your accusations seriously, even if I didn't believe in them. It takes time to investigate all of the hypotheses put forward. This is a hobby for me. I have several other things to do. I could have defended the SSDF rating list better, OK. But your description of the complete silence from SSDF isn't correct. > >10-14 days ago SSDF posted that there will be no April list. Why? I simply don't have time for it at the moment. And before something is officially decided, matters have to be investigated first. This takes time. >Furthermore the posting also said, next list in May or June. I then >decided to quit SSDF. I don't like to wait another 2 months on an >answer, also I don't like to be ignored. I'm sorry if you feel ignored. How do you think I feel? Thoralf Karlsson
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