Author: Chessfun
Date: 07:54:45 06/23/01
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On June 22, 2001 at 23:41:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On June 22, 2001 at 17:57:21, Chris Duggan wrote:
>
>>From his finger-notes... can anyone fill in the details?!
>
>
>Here is what I know, both from prior events and a long phone call from Roman
>this morning.
>
>This apparently started when an IM (insight) complained that it was unfair
>that Roman could play crafty (Scrappy) with 5 7 time controls, but he could
>not. I was watching Roman play some games earlier this week and heard some
>of insight's "whispers" to this affect. I asked him "why can't I have my
>program play any opponent at any time control I want?" I got no answer and
>he instantly disconnected.
>
>Apparently after some discussion(s), POTZY took JRLOK out of "help record"
>as the highest human blitz rating ever on ICC. And unilaterally came up with
>a rule "to hold this record you must play at least 1/2 of your last 50 games
>vs a human" or something like that.
>
>After a lot of very unhappy ICC members got into a brawl with multiple admins
>over this, Danny Sleator apparently restored things to "as they were".
It has been restored so hopefully Roman will return. There are many many people
who specifically come to ICC to watch him play.
>I don't believe Roman will play on ICC again, until the "supposed sale of ICC"
>is finalized (no, I don't know anything but rumors about this). However, if
>you see a "guest" playing scrappy at odd time controls, you can guess who it
>is. :)
Yes, but it's not the same as seeing someone any name and seeing that name again
then knowing at least it's the same player. Scrappy I must assume plays other
guest accounts.
>I pointed out to sleator that insight's complaint was nonsense for several
>reasons. (1) Other players can use any time control they want. ADOLF (IM
>Brian Hartman) knows "the password" and has played all sorts of time controls
>vs Crafty over the years. GM Bill Lombardy used to play 5 12 / 5 14 games
>vs Crafty all the time. UDAV also has the password although he still prefers
>5 0 and 5 3 (he has used it to make it offer a draw or resign a few times when
>it was obviously drawn or lost but the game was going on for a long time).
>
>I also pointed out that "insight" could feel free to play 10 10 type time
>controls vs Scrappy as it will happily play that time control all day long
>vs an IM. Of course, he was interested in blitz rating points, not in chess.
It's a shame ICC don't spend more time in confirming players status rather than
worry about this. Insight for example don't list himself as an IM but I assume
he has a free account.
Operators are allowed to put !computer in their formula's naturally this in
itself leads to higher ratings, so I see nothing wrong with a human who
specializes in playing computers choosing to play only computers regardless of
the time controls.
Information about insight (Last disconnected Sat Jun 23 2001 01:53):
rating [need] win loss draw total best
Wild 1884 [6] 23 42 0 65 2254 (12-May-1997)
Loser's 1665 [6] 2 4 0 6
Bughouse 1996 [6] 14 13 0 27 2040 (27-Dec-1996)
Crazyhouse 2026 [6] 3 4 0 7
Bullet 2229 2103 2367 233 4703 2688 (29-Jun-1997)
Blitz 2961 1844 3767 571 6182 3134 (28-Jul-2000)
Standard 2194 [6] 11 18 5 34 2253 (29-Apr-2000)
1: Ridicwang : when a computer is busted and starts to play ridiculous moves
Recent games of insight:
Opponent Type ECO End Date
86: - 2961 B 3285 ChessBeta [ br 5 3] C39 Fla Jun 23 01 01:40
85: = 2966 W 3280 ChessBeta [ br 5 3] C41 50 Jun 23 01 01:22
84: - 2954 B 3292 ChessBeta [ br 5 3] E97 Res Jun 23 01 01:20
83: - 2958 W 3288 ChessBeta [ br 5 3] B96 Res Jun 23 01 00:56
82: - 2962 B 3284 ChessBeta [ br 5 3] E98 Fla Jun 23 01 00:46
81: - 2967 W 3279 ChessBeta [ br 5 3] C64 Mat Jun 23 01 00:32
80: - 2229 B 2174 fmtex [ Br 1 0] B01 Fla Jun 22 01 23:16
79: - 2249 W 2154 fmtex [ Br 1 0] B41 Fla Jun 22 01 23:13
78: + 2271 B 2132 fmtex [ Br 1 0] C33 Fla Jun 22 01 23:11
77: + 2260 W 2143 fmtex [ Br 1 0] B41 Mat Jun 22 01 23:09
76: - 2248 B 2155 fmtex [ Br 1 0] A00 Fla Jun 22 01 23:06
75: = 2270 W 2133 fmtex [ Br 1 0] B07 TM Jun 22 01 23:03
74: + 2276 B 2127 fmtex [ Br 1 0] B01 Fla Jun 22 01 23:00
73: + 2266 W 2137 fmtex [ Br 1 0] C01 Res Jun 22 01 22:58
72: - 2255 B 2148 fmtex [ Br 1 0] A00 Fla Jun 22 01 22:55
71: + 2278 W 2064 mameli [ Br 1 0] C29 Fla Jun 22 01 22:51
70: + 2270 B 2072 mameli [ Br 1 0] B40 Fla Jun 22 01 22:46
69: + 2262 W 2080 mameli [ Br 1 0] C20 Mat Jun 22 01 22:44
68: + 2253 B 2089 mameli [ Br 1 0] D70 Mat Jun 22 01 22:41
67: + 2243 W 2099 mameli [ Br 1 0] B06 Fla Jun 22 01 22:38
I can't check insights history v scrappy however I bet it's not good.
>I further pointed out that Roman was directly helping me and only played 5 7
>when I asked him to play games that were a bit slower to eliminate some of the
>tactical skirmishes that hid positional weaknesses.
>
>What will happen next is anyone's guess...
>
>I think it was much ado about nothing but nonsense. I don't see any mandate
>to play anybody at any time control. ICC has noplay lists, censor lists, and
>all sorts of things that tend to screw up the rating system already (K=32 is
>also bad, but that is another story). Insight only seems to play computers
>also, so he would fit the very type of abuse he was complaining about, I would
>think...
>
>This has caused quite a "bulge" in my ICC "message" list. Everyone seems to
>like "jrlok" and thinks this was garbage. He has also received a _bunch_ of
>messages along the same lines. The admins got bombed with them last night as
>well...
Hopefully Jrlok will at least log on and check his messages, I'd bet he has a
lot that are supporting him.
Sarah.
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