Author: Chris Carson
Date: 09:23:02 06/23/01
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On June 23, 2001 at 11:03:55, Mogens Larsen wrote: >On June 23, 2001 at 10:20:00, Chris Carson wrote: > >>1. General >> >>1.1 The game shall be played according to FIDE Laws on a tournament chess board >>and using a tournament clock. > >The FIDE laws of chess prohibits use of external aids as book, notes, etc. > There is a law that prohibits using books, ... for humans. An opening book has been determined to be part of the program in the same way that memory/learning is part of the human brain. This is not written explicitly in the FIDE General Laws, but Opening books are not excluded in the "FIDE Computer" Laws. I think you have a good argument, but I do not think the FIDE or USCF exclude it from tournament play. >>Neither FIDE or USCF (the two organizations I have written and talked with) ban >>any part of the "program", books, end game table bases, learnig bases, ... are >>all accepted. >> >>FIDE will not allow a game to be rated when played against a computer. > >Yes, I know that. > >>IMO Bruce's arguments make sense. > >Not really if you look at the specifics and yes if you look at the general >picture. The rules you've posted are merely ad hoc rules, because it's virtually >impossible to govern stricter rules. The lack of specific rules means that >computers have unlimited possibilities through storage facilities alone, while a >human player have the usual restrictions. > >The same applies to ordinary tournament play. Have there been any serious >contemplations concerning fairness with a condensed playing schedule to name one >example? No, there haven't. > >This should encourage persons with the belief that GMs demands unfair conditions >to do a little thinking. I doubt that will happen. > >>You are entitled to your opinion. > >Thank God ;-)). > >Regards, >Mogens I understand why some people do not want to play the programs. They have that right. Also anyone that wants to play with features (book, ...) turned off has that right as well. I memorize lines of play and special lines for special opponents, I expect any program I play to do the same. I do not consider it cheating, but if you do, then don't play. FIDE and USCF, the few times that programs were allowed to compete, placed no limitations on the programs and gave the person the right not to play (the game may still count as with any protest). Another way to protest is to not to enter the tournament or match. I understand your argument, I just disagree with it. I think we disagree that a program's database of information is part of the program. I think it is, but we may disagree on this. I would consider it cheating if the operator had a book and made the moves for the program from a separate (non-program) book, however, a program having a database of moves is not "illegal" from a FIDE rules or from my own opinion. The opening database is part of the program, not a separate book, note, ... You do make a valid point that FIDE or USCF or others may want to be more explicit if they write rules, they may want to be more explicite over time, however, the arbitrators and officials are there to make decisions at the site and can be over ruled later. I am not sure any rule can make everyone happy. I am not happy with every rule mayself. :) You have a good argument about "fairness", but for me, I want the books, learning, ... included. Just my own preference. Best Regards, Chris Carson
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