Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 15:31:55 04/27/98
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On April 27, 1998 at 17:31:56, Thorsten Czub wrote: >> Still I cannot understand why it >>should be a task for SSDF to secure that the economical conditions for >>chess programming are equal. As far as I can see they are probably >>rather unequal, even if all autoplayers were public. > >This is indeed a BRILLIANT (:-))) statement ! > >When - as a result of your behaviour, the auto232 will not anymore >supported by programmers who don't like to see ChessBase have an unfair >advantage against them, - what will you say than ? >You are really funny ! >You and ChessBase are in charge for what is happening and you behave >like Pontius Pilatus ! > >>You said in an email that it would have been OK for you if SSDF had >>played the Fritz 5-games manually. But assuming that there is no >>cheating, why would it be better if SSDF used an extremely slow (and by >>the way practically speaking impossible) way of confirming the rating of >>Fritz 5? The rating would still be the same apart from statistical >>variations. > >Really ? >The rating would be the same ? >Another of your famous consumptions ? >I remember that you said we don't have to test this program on fast >machine because it is no strong program ! >Please gimme more of those FAMOUS statements. >You know a priori that x is a bad chessprogram and therefore you don't >have to proof this !!! > > >>The original reason for the SSDF rating list was to give the consumers >>information about the relative strengths of chess computers/programs. A >>buyer of Fritz 5 wants, among other things, to know how good it plays >>against other computers. I don't think that they care if the production >>costs has been somewhat higher or lower. > >It would be better you would stop answering Thoralf. Your comments are a >shame !! I will NOT explain you WHY your above statement is a shame. >You have to find out yourself. I doubt that you find out yourself. >Ask somebody else. I would advise to ask Cock or Don or Bob. > >>>Furthermore I regret the silence of the SSDF very much. 4 main chess >>>programmers have complained. The complaints are from end of February. >>>Now we are 2 months further. No official answer, just silence, silence >>>and silence. >> >>Some of the firsts complaints came from Ossi Weiner in a group email, >>which I responded. He didn't react on my answers but instead sent >>several new emails with fierce attacks on the SSDF rating list. Many >>other persons on CCC and in the group emails answered Weiners letters, >>so in my opinion it wasn't so urgent to answer them. > >Another famous statement. You were asked by 4 programmers who supported >ssdf in the past and THIS is your reaction. >Thoralf, give up understanding people. > >>I could have defended the SSDF rating list better, OK. But your >>description of the complete silence from SSDF isn't correct. > >You have damaged your own life-work. I am sure it will not heal from >this damage. It's over. It is a list ad absurdum. You can count beans >instead. Would make more sense. > > >>I'm sorry if you feel ignored. How do you think I feel? > >Arrogant and ignorant ! And obviously unable to react in a proper way. >I don't feel sorry for you. You have made your own problem by your >reactions.. Thorsten, you are not making one single point based on anything rational and susceptible of being discussed. Many exclamation marks and no substance. Instead of name calling, which as you know does not belong in CCC, let me remind you of your repeated allegations about Fritz 5 cheating with its autoplayer. Now that the autoplayer Fritz 5 has been proven clean, not suspect of any sort of cheating, it would be a good time for you to admit your mistake. Anything else is empty campaigning against Fritz 5 and the SSDF. Once this is admitted, the next step is saying there is nothing wrong about counting for rating purposes all games autoplayed by Fritz 5. Enrique >>Thoralf Karlsson
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