Author: Mike Castañuela
Date: 16:19:35 04/27/98
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On April 27, 1998 at 18:31:55, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >On April 27, 1998 at 17:31:56, Thorsten Czub wrote: > >>> Still I cannot understand why it >>>should be a task for SSDF to secure that the economical conditions for >>>chess programming are equal. As far as I can see they are probably >>>rather unequal, even if all autoplayers were public. >> >>This is indeed a BRILLIANT (:-))) statement ! >> >>When - as a result of your behaviour, the auto232 will not anymore >>supported by programmers who don't like to see ChessBase have an unfair >>advantage against them, - what will you say than ? >>You are really funny ! >>You and ChessBase are in charge for what is happening and you behave >>like Pontius Pilatus ! >> >>>You said in an email that it would have been OK for you if SSDF had >>>played the Fritz 5-games manually. But assuming that there is no >>>cheating, why would it be better if SSDF used an extremely slow (and by >>>the way practically speaking impossible) way of confirming the rating of >>>Fritz 5? The rating would still be the same apart from statistical >>>variations. >> >>Really ? >>The rating would be the same ? >>Another of your famous consumptions ? >>I remember that you said we don't have to test this program on fast >>machine because it is no strong program ! >>Please gimme more of those FAMOUS statements. >>You know a priori that x is a bad chessprogram and therefore you don't >>have to proof this !!! >> >> >>>The original reason for the SSDF rating list was to give the consumers >>>information about the relative strengths of chess computers/programs. A >>>buyer of Fritz 5 wants, among other things, to know how good it plays >>>against other computers. I don't think that they care if the production >>>costs has been somewhat higher or lower. >> >>It would be better you would stop answering Thoralf. Your comments are a >>shame !! I will NOT explain you WHY your above statement is a shame. >>You have to find out yourself. I doubt that you find out yourself. >>Ask somebody else. I would advise to ask Cock or Don or Bob. >> >>>>Furthermore I regret the silence of the SSDF very much. 4 main chess >>>>programmers have complained. The complaints are from end of February. >>>>Now we are 2 months further. No official answer, just silence, silence >>>>and silence. >>> >>>Some of the firsts complaints came from Ossi Weiner in a group email, >>>which I responded. He didn't react on my answers but instead sent >>>several new emails with fierce attacks on the SSDF rating list. Many >>>other persons on CCC and in the group emails answered Weiners letters, >>>so in my opinion it wasn't so urgent to answer them. >> >>Another famous statement. You were asked by 4 programmers who supported >>ssdf in the past and THIS is your reaction. >>Thoralf, give up understanding people. >> >>>I could have defended the SSDF rating list better, OK. But your >>>description of the complete silence from SSDF isn't correct. >> >>You have damaged your own life-work. I am sure it will not heal from >>this damage. It's over. It is a list ad absurdum. You can count beans >>instead. Would make more sense. >> >> >>>I'm sorry if you feel ignored. How do you think I feel? >> >>Arrogant and ignorant ! And obviously unable to react in a proper way. >>I don't feel sorry for you. You have made your own problem by your >>reactions.. > >Thorsten, you are not making one single point based on anything rational >and susceptible of being discussed. Many exclamation marks and no >substance. > >Instead of name calling, which as you know does not belong in CCC, let >me remind you of your repeated allegations about Fritz 5 cheating with >its autoplayer. Now that the autoplayer Fritz 5 has been proven clean, >not suspect of any sort of cheating, it would be a good time for you to >admit your mistake. Anything else is empty campaigning against Fritz 5 >and the SSDF. > >Once this is admitted, the next step is saying there is nothing wrong >about counting for rating purposes all games autoplayed by Fritz 5. > >Enrique > >>>Thoralf Karlsson I support the point of view of Mr. Irazoqui. Until now, Thorsten has demonstrated a total deficiency of objectivity, mainly deficiency of exhibition of facts. Too many feelings and until a tendency frankly of hatred towards Chessbase/Fritz. No justly, in view of already exposed lack of exhibition of facts. PS. I do not have Fritz and my favorite program is another one (the great Genius).
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