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Subject: Re: Not sent -- Diepeveen is censoring you.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:54:11 06/24/01

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On June 24, 2001 at 04:09:29, Rafael Andrist wrote:

>On June 23, 2001 at 22:24:58, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 23, 2001 at 20:02:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I do not know much details on schach, but if you give it an entire
>>>night, then it still will show the same bad branching factor as
>>>we were used to in 1997.
>>
>>
>>What in the name of heaven are you talking about?  "bad branching factor
>>we were used to in 1997?"  In 1996 I was using R=2 null-move, as was Bruce
>>and others.  _we_ were not used to any huge branching factor.  My branching
>>factor today is almost _exactly_ what it was in 1996...
>>
>>
>>My branching factor also remains fairly constant regardless of the depth.
>>It makes no sense to me that it would get smaller and smaller as you go
>>deeper.  Because eventually it would have to go below 1 and the search
>>would actually get _faster_ as you go deeper. And that is fully nonsense.
>>
>
>But the BF get's clearly smaller if the search goes deeper. At least with a
>full-window-search. It's also clear that this process isn't linear. So your
>second argument that it would ge below zero is nonsense itself. We live in a
>completly non-linear world!
>
>Rafael B. Andrist


I don't have any data for searches beyond 15 plies in the middlegame, but for
the 350 or so searches I have, I don't see the BF as better from 14->15 than it
is for 12->13...  I don't see why it would be so either.  unless you assume
infinite everything  like hash table size, etc.



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