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Subject: Re: What is:Kramnik really saying about Fritz's strength? - GM level??

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 11:27:12 06/24/01

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On June 24, 2001 at 03:25:13, Uri Blass wrote:

>On June 24, 2001 at 00:33:34, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On June 22, 2001 at 10:58:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On June 22, 2001 at 09:36:17, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>chessbase could get good PR out of this by focussing on the fact that
>>>>deepfritz will search way deeper as deep blue did!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Not a single chance in hell this would happen.
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>yes,  you are, as always, 100% correct.
>>
>>I really do not understand how people can think a chess program which can play
>>about 2200 in close positions and 2600 in open positions (extimated ratings)
>>against one of the strongest player of the World can have any chance expecially
>>since the human player will know exactly what the opponent will play. This would
>>bring down the strenght of the program of at least another 200 points!
>
>Fritz is better than 2600 in open positions and 2200 in closed position.
>
>2900 in open positions and 2500 in closed position seems to be more realistic.

No if talking about human Elo. I do not believe it.
>
>A computer with rating of 2600 in open positions and 2200 in closed position
>could not get performance of more than 2400 against humans even if the humans do
>no special preperation and old Fritz got prerformance of more than 2400 in the
>israeli league on hardware that is clearly slower than the hardware against
>kramnik even after part of the humans did special preperation.

Ok, but the computers are very good against chess players up to 2500 Elo, so
this may give the impression they play about 2600 as an average.
Against stronger opponents (2650 and above) they would score less.
>
>>
>>So how can one expect a 2200 player to win against a 2700 (about) one?
>>
>>The best chances for a program to get and advanted against such a strong player
>>are to be able to surprise him in the opening phase, but how the match is set it
>>will be the opposite
>
>I do not believe that Kramnik is going to get the opening book of Deep Fritz
>before the match.

I thought this was a fixed condition of the match. Didn't they?
>
>Uri

Sandro



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