Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 21:52:23 06/24/01
Go up one level in this thread
On June 24, 2001 at 15:15:21, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 24, 2001 at 14:27:12, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On June 24, 2001 at 03:25:13, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 24, 2001 at 00:33:34, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On June 22, 2001 at 10:58:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 22, 2001 at 09:36:17, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>chessbase could get good PR out of this by focussing on the fact that >>>>>>deepfritz will search way deeper as deep blue did! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Not a single chance in hell this would happen. >>>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>yes, you are, as always, 100% correct. >>>> >>>>I really do not understand how people can think a chess program which can play >>>>about 2200 in close positions and 2600 in open positions (extimated ratings) >>>>against one of the strongest player of the World can have any chance expecially >>>>since the human player will know exactly what the opponent will play. This would >>>>bring down the strenght of the program of at least another 200 points! >>> >>>Fritz is better than 2600 in open positions and 2200 in closed position. >>> >>>2900 in open positions and 2500 in closed position seems to be more realistic. >> >>No if talking about human Elo. I do not believe it. >>> >>>A computer with rating of 2600 in open positions and 2200 in closed position >>>could not get performance of more than 2400 against humans even if the humans do >>>no special preperation and old Fritz got prerformance of more than 2400 in the >>>israeli league on hardware that is clearly slower than the hardware against >>>kramnik even after part of the humans did special preperation. >> >>Ok, but the computers are very good against chess players up to 2500 Elo, so >>this may give the impression they play about 2600 as an average. >>Against stronger opponents (2650 and above) they would score less. > >The opposite >Against strong humans they score more points >The best performance of computers against humans was not against weak 2400 >players but against players with average rating of 2702. At blitz and fast games not at slow games. > >>> >>>> >>>>So how can one expect a 2200 player to win against a 2700 (about) one? >>>> >>>>The best chances for a program to get and advanted against such a strong player >>>>are to be able to surprise him in the opening phase, but how the match is set it >>>>will be the opposite >>> >>>I do not believe that Kramnik is going to get the opening book of Deep Fritz >>>before the match. >> >>I thought this was a fixed condition of the match. Didn't they? > >I think it is not a condition of the match. >I read that kramnik said that he is going to get printout of Fritz's games >before the match and it means that he is not going to get the program. OK, good to know for the future... > >Uri Sandro
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.