Author: Albert Silver
Date: 10:40:48 06/25/01
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On June 25, 2001 at 06:03:05, Uri Blass wrote:
>On June 25, 2001 at 00:22:15, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 24, 2001 at 23:06:09, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>I am holding a qualifing match between ALL the top programs. The time control
>>>will be 25/10 and it will be a 3 cycle Round Robin.
>>>
>>>The purpose of this tournament is to qualify an engine to go against several
>>>2500+ GM's in the next 5-6 months. These games will also be played at 25/10.
>>>
>>>Each game will be played on a Dual Pentium III 1,000Mhz ~ 184MB hash. Pondering
>>>will be on, and the default book will be used, at tournament levels.
>>
>>
>>One question: what is the point of playing computers against each other, to
>>choose one to play against a human? Isn't this like playing 9 holes of golf
>>to choose the challenger for the world champion in the shot put?
>
>In most of the cases the better program against computers is also better against
>humans.
>
>I do not know about one top program against computers that is weaker than 2200
>against humans when there are a lot of amateurs against computers that are also
>weaker than 2200 against humans.
>
>I do not know about one top program against humans who has less than 2200 ssdf
>rating.
>
>(I say 2200 only to be careful and I could say a bigger number)
>
>Saying that we can learn nothing from the results against computers about the
>results against humans is wrong.
>
>Uri
I must disagree. The king of the computer hill has been Fritz for quite some
time. By this, I only mean that it is the program that has been most
consistently successful against other programs. Do you honestly believe it is
the best program against strong humans? I _really_ don't. It is a _great_
tactical analyst. No question about it. But from a personal point of view
(completely subjective BTW), I have not found it to be the toughest opponent,
and have had far less trouble drawing it than other programs. No disrespect
meant to Morsch, but I think that between the two, Junior would have made a more
difficult opponent for Kramnik. It's also quite possible that Shredder would be
an even tougher opponent to Kramnik, yet I am also pretty sure it would have
flopped in that 'qualifier' had it been matched against DF and DJ.
We already know the heavy impact one extra ply has in computer-computer matches,
yet we also know that against a human, this changes much less. Why? Because
humans fight with very different weapons (plans, maneuvering, endgame
transitions, etc.) where an extra ply makes almost no difference. Fritz is
pretty much the king of plies. No one gets as many plies so quickly AFAIK, but
that doesn't make it the strongest opponent for humans.
Albert
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