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Subject: Re: What is:Kramnik really saying about Fritz's strength? - GM level??

Author: Albert Silver

Date: 11:05:26 06/25/01

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On June 24, 2001 at 15:24:53, Chris Carson wrote:

>On June 24, 2001 at 15:02:54, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 24, 2001 at 14:53:04, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>On June 24, 2001 at 14:27:12, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ok, but the computers are very good against chess players up to 2500 Elo, so
>>>>this may give the impression they play about 2600 as an average.
>>>>Against stronger opponents (2650 and above) they would score less.
>>>
>>>Deep Junior scored 2702 against opponents with average rating of 2702 at
>>>Dortmund 200.  So they can score more.  :)
>>
>>I find it funny people will give opinions, and that is fine, but I sometimes
>>wonder what the opinion is based on... can't be the computer's game record. :)
>>
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Chris Carson
>
>Mark,
>
>You will find this very funny.  Here are the results for all programs and all
>games 40/2 against average opponents 2648 and above.  :)
>
>Prog Avg  Opp Avg   Total   Lowest Opp  Highest Opp
>ELO       FIDE ELO  Games   Fide        FIDE
>2632      2645       30     2566        2795
>2653      2671       22     2600        2795
>2650      2730       10     2650        2795
>
>Plus the DJ Dortmund 2000 performance 2702 vs 2702 FIDE over 9 games.

Disregarding Dortmund (super performance) and the Dutch championship, my problem
with the above is that these total games are done over quite some period of
time, a game or two at a time, and on variable hardware and conditions. To
quaklify for a Fide rating, one cannot just accumulate 9 games with one here,
two there, another here, etc. It has to be done with groups of at least 4 games
from a single event.

                                       Albert


>
>The performance goes up, not down due to improvemets in SW and HW over the last
>3 years.  Pretty stiff competition.  :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Carson



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