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Subject: Re: What is:Kramnik really saying about Fritz's strength? - GM level??

Author: Mark Young

Date: 12:06:45 06/25/01

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On June 25, 2001 at 14:05:58, Albert Silver wrote:

>On June 24, 2001 at 15:24:53, Chris Carson wrote:
>
>>On June 24, 2001 at 15:02:54, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On June 24, 2001 at 14:53:04, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 24, 2001 at 14:27:12, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ok, but the computers are very good against chess players up to 2500 Elo, so
>>>>>this may give the impression they play about 2600 as an average.
>>>>>Against stronger opponents (2650 and above) they would score less.
>>>>
>>>>Deep Junior scored 2702 against opponents with average rating of 2702 at
>>>>Dortmund 200.  So they can score more.  :)
>>>
>>>I find it funny people will give opinions, and that is fine, but I sometimes
>>>wonder what the opinion is based on... can't be the computer's game record. :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson
>>
>>Mark,
>>
>>You will find this very funny.  Here are the results for all programs and all
>>games 40/2 against average opponents 2648 and above.  :)
>>
>>Prog Avg  Opp Avg   Total   Lowest Opp  Highest Opp
>>ELO       FIDE ELO  Games   Fide        FIDE
>>2632      2645       30     2566        2795
>>2653      2671       22     2600        2795
>>2650      2730       10     2650        2795
>>
>>Plus the DJ Dortmund 2000 performance 2702 vs 2702 FIDE over 9 games.
>
>Disregarding Dortmund (super performance) and the Dutch championship, my problem
>with the above is that these total games are done over quite some period of
>time, a game or two at a time, and on variable hardware and conditions. To
>qualify for a Fide rating, one cannot just accumulate 9 games with one here, two
>there, another here, etc. It has to be done with groups of at least 4 games from
>a single event.

As pointed out many times, no one is talking about earning the Fide title of
GM...this is calculating the computers strength vs human GM's.

>
>                                       Albert
>
>
>>
>>The performance goes up, not down due to improvemets in SW and HW over the last
>>3 years.  Pretty stiff competition.  :)
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Chris Carson



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