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Subject: Re: Looking for "this type position" that make programs 2100 ELO

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 14:45:32 06/25/01

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On June 25, 2001 at 17:30:13, Chris Carson wrote:

>On June 25, 2001 at 17:21:56, Sune Larsson wrote:
>
>>On June 25, 2001 at 15:42:39, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>It should be noted that FIDE sets everyones rating to 2000 for the first event.
>>>
>>>I am looking fot the "this type of position" that at 40/2 on 1Ghz machine or
>>>faster makes Fritz, Junior, Shredder, Rebel, or Tiger play like a 2100 or lower
>>>rated player.
>>>
>>>The "this type of position" must be a positon that leads to multiple wins for
>>>the player.  A single win will not work since program learning will avoid it the
>>>next time.  If the "this type of position" exists, the most of us (even me)
>>>should be able to beat the programs 50% or more over a stretch of games, say 20.
>>> We might even be able to get a string of wins going (like 5 or 6 in a row) once
>>>we have mastered the "this type of position".
>>>
>>>I am really serious about this.  I do not know of any "this type of position"
>>>and I have looked for a long time now.  Also most programmers and players would
>>>benefit from this knowledge.
>>>
>>>Blitz strategy does not count, only 40/2.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Chris Carson
>>
>> Got a couple of wins vs different CM8-GM personalities with this
>> wellknown setup as black. Don't play it anymore. Repetition is boring.
>>
>> [D]r2q1rk1/pppnn1b1/3p2pp/3Pp3/2P1Pp2/2N3PP/PP1BQPB1/R4RK1 w - - 0 15
>>
>> I'll mail you a few games, though they were played in 40/40.
>>
>> Sune
>
>Thanks, I am only looking for 40/2 and for the programs I mentioned.  CM does
>not have learning does it?
>
>I will save the position for analysis and any others you send me, not sure how
>they will turn out.  :)
>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Carson

 The KI attack with black pawns on d6,e5,f4,g5 and rolling, causes big
 problems for most programs. The theme is displayed in the three different
 games I just sent to you. The plan for black is here more important than
 the exact move order. White has to attack very actively on the queenside
 and at the same time defend the kingside. Programs usually can't manage that.

 Sune



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