Author: Chris Carson
Date: 16:03:55 06/25/01
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On June 25, 2001 at 18:55:52, Albert Silver wrote: >On June 25, 2001 at 17:48:40, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On June 25, 2001 at 17:01:56, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>>I didn't say to disregard the result of Dortmund, but to disregard Dortmund >>>concerning the complaint I was making. In other words, regard it! :-) I realize >>>we must do with what we have, but if we are going to flash results and >>>statistics, then all the provisos regarding those results and statistics must be >>>considered and declared. In other words, show the results, but be honest about >>>the limitations or possible problems. Yes, Junior performed brilliantly, and >>>*perhaps* this represents its true strength, but unfortunately it is only one >>>tournament. Karpov had an absolute field day in Linares 1994 (I think it was 94) >>>but did this really represent his relative playing strength against the other >>>players? Yes, we have data, but it is a couple of tournaments, for two different >>>programs, and a collection of single games here and there. It's still a far cry >>>from nothing, but it's also a far cry from being conclusive. With all due >>>respect. Here's another tidbit: you'll sometimes read about some top board >>>performer in league play. Such as Christiansen did a couple of times in the >>>Budesliga with scores on the order of 12/13, etc. With such a result does this >>>mean he is a WC contender? Unfortunately not. It's a fantastic result but it is >>>very different from playing a tournament. Perhaps Junior wouldn't be any >>>different, but what about the players it played and the circumstances? >>> >>> Albert >> >>Albert, >> >>Where is the data that supports your position that programs are not 2600? At >>least I present data when asked. I am entitled to my opinion also. I did >>present the data and I did state the qualifiers. I hope you will bring data (a >>couple of hundred games) when you argue your point, the same as I have and the >>meeting the same requirements you have stated. All I see is your opinion, you >>are entitled to it as I am entitled to mine. Please support your opinon with >>the same criteria based data you demand from others. I never ever said FIDE >>rating. I presented the data that is available, I did the calculations and put >>some effort into this. It is easy to critize. I admit when I make a mistake, >>please do not represent me as trying to hide something or tyring to lie or >>trying to do something else unethical, I am honest and I do not appreciate you >>implying "dishonest". >> >>I also do not say to the person, that looks dishonest, instead offer my opinon >>with data to back it up, or I state that I have no basis, just a gut feeling. >> >>If you really think I am a "dishonest", lying, decieving, person who has some >>deep dark reason for "wanting" programs to be "2600" and fabricating all the >>results, then just attach a single line message to all my posts saying that. At >>least then I know where you stand and will leave you out of future debates with >>me. >> >>Chris Carson > >I think you are completely misconstruing what I wrote. I never said, much less >meant to imply, that your results are dishonest or in any way deliberately >misleading. Nor did I say that programs are less than 2600. I said nothing at >all in fact regarding their strength here. All I said was that the data may lead >some less circumspect readers to take it at face value, and that these >accumulated and averaged out results are presently THE rating for the programs. >They certainly represent data to digest, and represent the best statistical >information available, but they are still not conclusive. That is all I said. I >have no idea why you think I take this personally, I don't. You presented data, >and I said it wasn't conclusive and explained why. That's all. > > Albert My mistake. Sorry I read to much into your post, my only rational for reading more than what you wrote is that I have read so many posts on this subject, I think I get overwhelmed sometimes. Sorry. :) Best Regards, Chris Carson
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