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Subject: Re: Someone Better Stop Tiger or This GM Debate is Going to be over Quick!

Author: Mark Young

Date: 02:39:52 06/26/01

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On June 26, 2001 at 05:21:27, Martin Schubert wrote:

>On June 26, 2001 at 05:15:56, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2001 at 05:06:36, Martin Schubert wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 2001 at 04:53:05, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>ChessTiger has now produced 2 wins in a row and a draw against strong titled IM
>>>>players. It must be noted ChessTiger is doing this on hardware that is not
>>>>considered ultra fast PIII 866 256 MB Ram. Most people own hardware this good or
>>>>better. This is not a chess program running on thousands of dollars with of
>>>>equipment with 8 CPUs.
>>>>
>>>>If ChessTiger continues playing as well as it is, the 2100 elo crowd or the No
>>>>way computers are GM crowd will have to come up with someway to explain this
>>>>performance. As I doubt it will change anyone’s mind even if ChessTiger wins
>>>>this tournament.
>>>
>>>The performance is easy to explain. Like in the tournaments last year with the
>>>participation of Fritz and Junior a lot of players don't know how to play
>>>against computers. There are some games which could be played by players with
>>>rating <2000 as well.
>>
>>I don’t think this that arguments passes the laugh test, most players’ trainee
>>with some kind of computer aid, chess bases, programs etc. They have too, to
>>compete in today’s chess tournaments. Programs have been around for many years,
>>and I would doubt this is any players first time seeing a chess computer.
>
>Playing against computers and playing against humans are two different
>disciplines. Maybe like 100meter and 400meter hurdles. If you practise mainly
>for one discipline you're not that good in the other one.
>Maybe you can take a look at Eduard Nemeth's games. He has no problem beating
>all of the programs. His rating is maybe 2100. After reading his articles I
>could beat Shredder 5 without much effort (my rating about 1900).
>Just look about the game Tiger played in round 3. You want to tell me that his
>opposite played like 2400? Like an IM? I think already the opening was a
>disaster.

Give us some analysis since you have looked at the game to back up your
argument.

I will take that challenge that you can beat a top chess program. And we will
make it a short 10 game match at blitz time controls or any time controls you
want. I have many years playing programs online, and you will find my opening
book does not have many holes in it like 2 Na3. So you will need to outplay it,
in the middle and endgame to win.



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