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Subject: Re: Someone Better Stop Tiger or This GM Debate is Going to be over Quick!

Author: Martin Schubert

Date: 02:58:52 06/26/01

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On June 26, 2001 at 05:39:52, Mark Young wrote:

>On June 26, 2001 at 05:21:27, Martin Schubert wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2001 at 05:15:56, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 2001 at 05:06:36, Martin Schubert wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 04:53:05, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>ChessTiger has now produced 2 wins in a row and a draw against strong titled IM
>>>>>players. It must be noted ChessTiger is doing this on hardware that is not
>>>>>considered ultra fast PIII 866 256 MB Ram. Most people own hardware this good or
>>>>>better. This is not a chess program running on thousands of dollars with of
>>>>>equipment with 8 CPUs.
>>>>>
>>>>>If ChessTiger continues playing as well as it is, the 2100 elo crowd or the No
>>>>>way computers are GM crowd will have to come up with someway to explain this
>>>>>performance. As I doubt it will change anyone’s mind even if ChessTiger wins
>>>>>this tournament.
>>>>
>>>>The performance is easy to explain. Like in the tournaments last year with the
>>>>participation of Fritz and Junior a lot of players don't know how to play
>>>>against computers. There are some games which could be played by players with
>>>>rating <2000 as well.
>>>
>>>I don’t think this that arguments passes the laugh test, most players’ trainee
>>>with some kind of computer aid, chess bases, programs etc. They have too, to
>>>compete in today’s chess tournaments. Programs have been around for many years,
>>>and I would doubt this is any players first time seeing a chess computer.
>>
>>Playing against computers and playing against humans are two different
>>disciplines. Maybe like 100meter and 400meter hurdles. If you practise mainly
>>for one discipline you're not that good in the other one.
>>Maybe you can take a look at Eduard Nemeth's games. He has no problem beating
>>all of the programs. His rating is maybe 2100. After reading his articles I
>>could beat Shredder 5 without much effort (my rating about 1900).
>>Just look about the game Tiger played in round 3. You want to tell me that his
>>opposite played like 2400? Like an IM? I think already the opening was a
>>disaster.
>
>Give us some analysis since you have looked at the game to back up your
>argument.
>
>I will take that challenge that you can beat a top chess program. And we will
>make it a short 10 game match at blitz time controls or any time controls you
>want. I have many years playing programs online, and you will find my opening
>book does not have many holes in it like 2 Na3. So you will need to outplay it,
>in the middle and endgame to win.

I didn't say that I'm experienced enough to beat a program in match. But it's a
matter of training. I'm not interested in that.
But ask Eduard Nemeth. I'm sure he can beat a top chess program in a 10 game
match.



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