Author: Mark Young
Date: 03:15:02 06/26/01
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On June 26, 2001 at 06:08:34, Martin Schubert wrote: >On June 26, 2001 at 06:02:34, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 26, 2001 at 05:58:52, Martin Schubert wrote: >> >>>On June 26, 2001 at 05:39:52, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On June 26, 2001 at 05:21:27, Martin Schubert wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 05:15:56, Mark Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 05:06:36, Martin Schubert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 04:53:05, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>ChessTiger has now produced 2 wins in a row and a draw against strong titled IM >>>>>>>>players. It must be noted ChessTiger is doing this on hardware that is not >>>>>>>>considered ultra fast PIII 866 256 MB Ram. Most people own hardware this good or >>>>>>>>better. This is not a chess program running on thousands of dollars with of >>>>>>>>equipment with 8 CPUs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If ChessTiger continues playing as well as it is, the 2100 elo crowd or the No >>>>>>>>way computers are GM crowd will have to come up with someway to explain this >>>>>>>>performance. As I doubt it will change anyone’s mind even if ChessTiger wins >>>>>>>>this tournament. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The performance is easy to explain. Like in the tournaments last year with the >>>>>>>participation of Fritz and Junior a lot of players don't know how to play >>>>>>>against computers. There are some games which could be played by players with >>>>>>>rating <2000 as well. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don’t think this that arguments passes the laugh test, most players’ trainee >>>>>>with some kind of computer aid, chess bases, programs etc. They have too, to >>>>>>compete in today’s chess tournaments. Programs have been around for many years, >>>>>>and I would doubt this is any players first time seeing a chess computer. >>>>> >>>>>Playing against computers and playing against humans are two different >>>>>disciplines. Maybe like 100meter and 400meter hurdles. If you practise mainly >>>>>for one discipline you're not that good in the other one. >>>>>Maybe you can take a look at Eduard Nemeth's games. He has no problem beating >>>>>all of the programs. His rating is maybe 2100. After reading his articles I >>>>>could beat Shredder 5 without much effort (my rating about 1900). >>>>>Just look about the game Tiger played in round 3. You want to tell me that his >>>>>opposite played like 2400? Like an IM? I think already the opening was a >>>>>disaster. >>>> >>>>Give us some analysis since you have looked at the game to back up your >>>>argument. >>>> >>>>I will take that challenge that you can beat a top chess program. And we will >>>>make it a short 10 game match at blitz time controls or any time controls you >>>>want. I have many years playing programs online, and you will find my opening >>>>book does not have many holes in it like 2 Na3. So you will need to outplay it, >>>>in the middle and endgame to win. >>> >>>I didn't say that I'm experienced enough to beat a program in match. But it's a >>>matter of training. I'm not interested in that. >>>But ask Eduard Nemeth. I'm sure he can beat a top chess program in a 10 game >>>match. >> >>Sorry I just took you at your word: >> >>"After reading his articles I >>could beat Shredder 5 without much effort (my rating about 1900)." > >Did I say that I can beat it every time? Did I say I can beat it with black? >But I don't think I can beat an IM or GM even one time. And that is my exact point, it is easy to exploit the computer when you can control what the computer plays, how it plays etc. Not exactly tournament conditions is it!? BTW: Players with 1900 ratings and lower have beaten and drawn GMs and IMs before. >> >>BTW Where is the analysis to back up your aguments about how poor the IM played! > >Black has in this kind of positions 3 main goals: playing b5, d5 and f5. Agree? >Without problems he could play b5 and f5. White didn't achieve anything. So IMO >there must be something wrong. Nf3 doesn't fit in this position, it belongs to >e2.
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