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Subject: Re: Someone Better Stop Tiger or This GM Debate is Going to be over Quic

Author: Mark Young

Date: 03:30:58 06/26/01

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On June 26, 2001 at 06:23:07, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On June 26, 2001 at 05:15:56, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>I don?t think this that arguments passes the laugh test, most players? trainee
>>with some kind of computer aid, chess bases, programs etc. They have too, to
>>compete in today?s chess tournaments. Programs have been around for many years,
>>and I would doubt this is any players first time seeing a chess computer.
>
>Let me tell you about some of my real life experiences with this.
>
>When Mat(h) (Belgian program that competed in Leiden) was first
>publicly presented, an exhibition match was played vs about 34
>volunteers.
>
>It was quite well publisided so players up to 2250 ELO joined (this
>is much for Belgium).
>
>In the games, most opponents were crushed. Although the program is
>not very strong at all (look at the Leiden results), even the strongest
>players lost without much chances, or had to content themselves with
>a draw.
>
>There was one, at that time 1300 rated player, that did quite the
>opposite. He crushed it. Rather easily even. (I knew this player and
>had been watching the match closely)
>
>How come this 1300 did so well even though the 2200's had trouble?
>
>This player sometimes played on chess severs, and was familiar with
>chessprograms, and had played them before. He knew where they were
>weak. In the Mat(h) game he castled on opposite sides and stormed
>Maths kingside. The program had no clue what was going on and lost.
>
>Most of the 1800-2200 players knew Fritz quite well. They used it to
>look up games. They used it for analysis. They sometimes played in
>sparring or friend mode. But they never played it seriously full-
>strength. They had no idea how to beat the program. Most of them
>played totally open postions. I saw nearly no closed manoeuvering
>games. They were just playing like they played other humans. And it
>didn't work.

Is this what is happening with Chesstiger, the IMs and GMs are just Ignorant
on how to cope with ChessTiger.

I guess there is no way to prove that, so your safe if that is what you believe.

>
>--
>GCP



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