Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 05:38:35 06/26/01
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On June 25, 2001 at 17:58:25, Chris Carson wrote: >On June 25, 2001 at 17:45:32, Sune Larsson wrote: > >>On June 25, 2001 at 17:30:13, Chris Carson wrote: >> >>>On June 25, 2001 at 17:21:56, Sune Larsson wrote: >>> >>>>On June 25, 2001 at 15:42:39, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>It should be noted that FIDE sets everyones rating to 2000 for the first event. >>>>> >>>>>I am looking fot the "this type of position" that at 40/2 on 1Ghz machine or >>>>>faster makes Fritz, Junior, Shredder, Rebel, or Tiger play like a 2100 or lower >>>>>rated player. >>>>> >>>>>The "this type of position" must be a positon that leads to multiple wins for >>>>>the player. A single win will not work since program learning will avoid it the >>>>>next time. If the "this type of position" exists, the most of us (even me) >>>>>should be able to beat the programs 50% or more over a stretch of games, say 20. >>>>> We might even be able to get a string of wins going (like 5 or 6 in a row) once >>>>>we have mastered the "this type of position". >>>>> >>>>>I am really serious about this. I do not know of any "this type of position" >>>>>and I have looked for a long time now. Also most programmers and players would >>>>>benefit from this knowledge. >>>>> >>>>>Blitz strategy does not count, only 40/2. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>Chris Carson >>>> >>>> Got a couple of wins vs different CM8-GM personalities with this >>>> wellknown setup as black. Don't play it anymore. Repetition is boring. >>>> >>>> [D]r2q1rk1/pppnn1b1/3p2pp/3Pp3/2P1Pp2/2N3PP/PP1BQPB1/R4RK1 w - - 0 15 >>>> >>>> I'll mail you a few games, though they were played in 40/40. >>>> >>>> Sune >>> >>>Thanks, I am only looking for 40/2 and for the programs I mentioned. CM does >>>not have learning does it? >>> >>>I will save the position for analysis and any others you send me, not sure how >>>they will turn out. :) >>> >>>Best Regards, >>>Chris Carson >> >> The KI attack with black pawns on d6,e5,f4,g5 and rolling, causes big >> problems for most programs. The theme is displayed in the three different >> games I just sent to you. The plan for black is here more important than >> the exact move order. White has to attack very actively on the queenside >> and at the same time defend the kingside. Programs usually can't manage that. >> >> Sune > >Yes, the KIA is something I have success with, draws mostly. Rebel and Fritz >adapt quickly to it and my their performance goes back to normal after say 5 >games, unless I reset to default and just play what I have learned (they get no >learning that way). ;) > >A 2100 player can not keep up with the programs using the KIA in my experience. >Same with the Stonewall and other Dutch variations. I have also tried French >and French in reverse, also English and different Indians. Programs adapt to >quickly and after a couple of games leave me in the dust. If it takes a 2400 >player to maintain the advantage, then that is beyond my capabilities and other >2100 players. :) > >Best Regards, >Chris Carson I don't see how a program can "learn its way out" after 3-4 games. With a book that has millions of possible moves, there are many ways to play differently but end up in the _same_ pit of snakes... Book learning is not a cure-all. It simply prevents repeating lost bad lines. But it doesn't solve the kind of problem being discussed here.
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