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Subject: Re: Someone Better Stop Tiger or This GM Debate is Going to be over Quick!

Author: Chessfun

Date: 05:55:53 06/26/01

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On June 26, 2001 at 08:28:42, Chris Carson wrote:

>On June 26, 2001 at 04:53:05, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>ChessTiger has now produced 2 wins in a row and a draw against strong titled IM
>>players. It must be noted ChessTiger is doing this on hardware that is not
>>considered ultra fast PIII 866 256 MB Ram. Most people own hardware this good or
>>better. This is not a chess program running on thousands of dollars with of
>>equipment with 8 CPUs.
>>
>>If ChessTiger continues playing as well as it is, the 2100 elo crowd or the No
>>way computers are GM crowd will have to come up with someway to explain this
>>performance. As I doubt it will change anyone’s mind even if ChessTiger wins
>>this tournament.
>
>Several people who use to be in the "programs are less than 2500" camp have
>revised their view based on results.  This is the right thing to do, I would
>change my view if the results went the other way over a couple of hundred games
>(unlikely to happen).

Please list the several?. for my curiosity.

>The following is not a slam on anyone, everyone is entitled to their opinion,
>this is just my own rational for why people have the opposing view:
>
>1. They have their opinion and nothing is going to change it.  Thats ok, I can
>agree to disagree, everone does not have to share my opinion, but I will not
>change my view without actual results to back it up (couple of hundred games
>that would drop the performance of the programs to 2100 or whatever).

So a program has to have a 2100 ELO before you'll accept it's not a
GM...interesting.

>2. Money ($$$).  If programs are strong, the the thought is that "chess" may not
>be a good money generator for Phd research.  Some people have researh and
>teaching careers tied into making programs "GM strength" or better than 2500.
>If commercial programs already do this, then the money for reaearch goes away.

Sounds like nonsense to me.

>3.  Ego may also play into this.  Once someone makes a stand, it is very hard to
>change a belief.

Reads like nonsense to me.

Sarah.






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