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Subject: Re: IM Matsuura played Anti-Computer Tactics, but ChessTiger busted it UP.

Author: Chessfun

Date: 06:10:10 06/26/01

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On June 26, 2001 at 09:02:45, Chris Carson wrote:

>On June 26, 2001 at 08:45:11, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:12:01, Chris Carson wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 2001 at 07:17:56, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]1rb1k1nr/2q1bppp/p1npp3/2p5/1pP1PB2/3P1NPP/PP2NPB1/R2Q1RK1 b
>>>>
>>>>It is clear looking at the game, IM Matsuura was playing to keep the position
>>>>closed against ChessTiger, but ChessTiger refuted this with 17...f5!. Opening
>>>>the position and beating IM Matsuura(2467 Elo).
>>>
>>>Tactics (anti-computer) that work against programs at "blitz" time controls do
>>>not work against computers at longer time controls.
>>
>>That's nonsense.
>>The same was said 5 or 6 years ago against Pentium 100's.
>>Yet these blitz games you are now looking at are the equal
>>of tournament controls on P100's.
>>
>>>Trojan horse, stonewall, dutch, indian, KIA, KID, ... may be a good strategy
>>>(anti-computer), but at 40/2 programs are much stronger than 2100, the results
>>>show it, I have tried it with very limited success and the programs adapt
>>>quickly to the strategy.
>>
>>Tell me please of the program that adapted to the strategy and how?.
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>Rebel Century, Chess Tiger, Deep Junior, Deep Fritz.
>
>Try it yourself at 40/2.  If you can win 50% in a 10 game match, post the PGN's
>and I (and others) will verify.  I have tried, but did not work for more than a
>game or two.
>
>I do not know how these programs adapt, but they did using learning or
>programming, you will need to ask the programmers, not me, I can only tell you
>how my program "Dallas" handles it, but the learning.
>
>Best Regards,
>Chris Carson


AFAIK none of the named programs have position learning only book learning.
Once a win is found by taking the program out of book, making a few branch
factors by analysis, it should be repeatable. Remember for a program to be
2600 ELO it should win 10/10 from me.

Sarah.




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