Author: Chessfun
Date: 06:14:19 06/26/01
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On June 26, 2001 at 09:09:43, Mark Young wrote: >On June 26, 2001 at 09:01:43, Chessfun wrote: > >>On June 26, 2001 at 08:47:39, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:40:58, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:09:58, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 07:14:55, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 06:25:16, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 00:17:21, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On June 25, 2001 at 22:01:57, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On June 25, 2001 at 21:54:07, Mike S. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On June 25, 2001 at 18:15:41, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>The results are bogus anyway, I can sit at home and win games as he did....Let >>>>>>>>>>>me run the computer against Eduard....I bet the results would be much different. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Why does he not play a 20 game match, the computer will learn what he is doing >>>>>>>>>>>and pick a different way of playing against 2.Na3 Then he is toast. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>What matters then, is the single game (each) with a brilliant win against the >>>>>>>>>>program, and not, if the learning feature may avoid repetition (or if some games >>>>>>>>>>may be lost beforehand). That's not the point, but that these games can happen >>>>>>>>>>at least once on each computer. I would be glad if I were capable of winning >>>>>>>>>>such games regularly (I have some, but very few old one's). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Furthermore, why call the results bogus, unless you have evidence that these >>>>>>>>>>games aren't reproduceable or possible? That's not quite fair IMO. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The point is we are talking about games under tournament conditions, not games >>>>>>>>>sitting at home at blitz times, with no controls. Anyone can sit, play with the >>>>>>>>>program, and produce games like this, but its not the same when you don't have >>>>>>>>>control of the screen, program, and the settings of the program. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>To me I see a different point. >>>>>>>>Try playing a GM 50 times and see how many you'll win. >>>>>>>>Forget the time controls for a second as IMO Eduard could easily >>>>>>>>repeat this at tournament controls as I feel I also could. >>>>>>>>Computers are known for being better at blitz than GM's simply log >>>>>>>>onto ICC and have a look. With a computer once you find the path to >>>>>>>>the win in most cases the path remains open. Simply play out of book >>>>>>>>asap if you win the computer in all liklihood will repeat it's same mistakes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Try that against a GM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You tell me a GM who is willing to be exploited like we can the computer >>>>>>>programs, and I might be able to produce a draw or a win also. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Can I program holes in the human GMs book to let me FOOLS mate him. :) >>>>>> >>>>>>You can't "fools mate" any current program. Most program books are clearly >>>>>>good enough and most strong humans who play them play book lines to about 15 >>>>>>moves. >>>>> >>>>>Now there are *rules* on how you can exploit the programs....I see. >>>> >>>>What are you talking about?. >>>>Show me any quick mate against a pc, typically they are all out >>>>of book not in book. >>> >>>>Show me some program holes that allow remember the word you used, "fools mate". >>> >>>Easy, the program allows me to program book lines. The program allows >>>this...yes. I can choose anyway I wish to exploit the program as you guys have >>>done....Unless you are saying there are now rules on how we can exploit the >>>program. >> >>The rules to me are simple. >>Take program x use program x's opening book. >>What is the point of programming a book line to allow "fools mate". >> >>I have seen no posted game where something like that has been done?. >>or to quote you "as you guys have done." so please show me?. > >What are you talking about, we are talking about ways to exploit the computer >program, my way is just easier, but it has the same result and standing. Your way IMO is a simple waste of time. Again I quote "as you guys have done." so please show me?. Sarah.
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