Author: Chessfun
Date: 07:34:14 06/26/01
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On June 26, 2001 at 10:21:20, Mark Young wrote: >On June 26, 2001 at 10:10:06, Chessfun wrote: > >>On June 26, 2001 at 09:16:44, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:10:10, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:02:45, Chris Carson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:45:11, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:12:01, Chris Carson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 07:17:56, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>[D]1rb1k1nr/2q1bppp/p1npp3/2p5/1pP1PB2/3P1NPP/PP2NPB1/R2Q1RK1 b >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It is clear looking at the game, IM Matsuura was playing to keep the position >>>>>>>>closed against ChessTiger, but ChessTiger refuted this with 17...f5!. Opening >>>>>>>>the position and beating IM Matsuura(2467 Elo). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Tactics (anti-computer) that work against programs at "blitz" time controls do >>>>>>>not work against computers at longer time controls. >>>>>> >>>>>>That's nonsense. >>>>>>The same was said 5 or 6 years ago against Pentium 100's. >>>>>>Yet these blitz games you are now looking at are the equal >>>>>>of tournament controls on P100's. >>>>>> >>>>>>>Trojan horse, stonewall, dutch, indian, KIA, KID, ... may be a good strategy >>>>>>>(anti-computer), but at 40/2 programs are much stronger than 2100, the results >>>>>>>show it, I have tried it with very limited success and the programs adapt >>>>>>>quickly to the strategy. >>>>>> >>>>>>Tell me please of the program that adapted to the strategy and how?. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sarah. >>>>> >>>>>Rebel Century, Chess Tiger, Deep Junior, Deep Fritz. >>>>> >>>>>Try it yourself at 40/2. If you can win 50% in a 10 game match, post the PGN's >>>>>and I (and others) will verify. I have tried, but did not work for more than a >>>>>game or two. >>>>> >>>>>I do not know how these programs adapt, but they did using learning or >>>>>programming, you will need to ask the programmers, not me, I can only tell you >>>>>how my program "Dallas" handles it, but the learning. >>>>> >>>>>Best Regards, >>>>>Chris Carson >>>> >>>> >>>>AFAIK none of the named programs have position learning only book learning. >>>>Once a win is found by taking the program out of book, making a few branch >>>>factors by analysis, it should be repeatable. Remember for a program to be >>>>2600 ELO it should win 10/10 from me. >>> >>>I will assume you are a average play, Let me run the program and book, I will >>>produce that result for you if that would make you happy. >> >> >>I would consider myself average against humans not against pc's. >>I want to know in advance the same as a GM would. >>The pc your using, program, ram and opening book and the book must be >>commercially available. > >Sorry Sarah would would be toasted, because the GM would not know the opening >book, and the books do not have to be commercially available. So their goes your >game plan, computer 10 - Sarah 0. A pc program should have a standard commercially available book. It should play the same on any PC. So I'll play without knowing the book np, as long as it's a commercial book not a homebuild. Just give me the other info, that's enough. >Post 1000 games on here were you control what the program plays, it means >nothing. Means nothing to you. We started this about three hours ago, lets see you post a game where you can control the moves. If it's so easy you should post one in about 2 hours or so as I did. Sarah.
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