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Subject: Re: Think again Azkikr

Author: Chessfun

Date: 07:34:14 06/26/01

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On June 26, 2001 at 10:21:20, Mark Young wrote:

>On June 26, 2001 at 10:10:06, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:16:44, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:10:10, Chessfun wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:02:45, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:45:11, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:12:01, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 07:17:56, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[D]1rb1k1nr/2q1bppp/p1npp3/2p5/1pP1PB2/3P1NPP/PP2NPB1/R2Q1RK1 b
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is clear looking at the game, IM Matsuura was playing to keep the position
>>>>>>>>closed against ChessTiger, but ChessTiger refuted this with 17...f5!. Opening
>>>>>>>>the position and beating IM Matsuura(2467 Elo).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tactics (anti-computer) that work against programs at "blitz" time controls do
>>>>>>>not work against computers at longer time controls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's nonsense.
>>>>>>The same was said 5 or 6 years ago against Pentium 100's.
>>>>>>Yet these blitz games you are now looking at are the equal
>>>>>>of tournament controls on P100's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Trojan horse, stonewall, dutch, indian, KIA, KID, ... may be a good strategy
>>>>>>>(anti-computer), but at 40/2 programs are much stronger than 2100, the results
>>>>>>>show it, I have tried it with very limited success and the programs adapt
>>>>>>>quickly to the strategy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tell me please of the program that adapted to the strategy and how?.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rebel Century, Chess Tiger, Deep Junior, Deep Fritz.
>>>>>
>>>>>Try it yourself at 40/2.  If you can win 50% in a 10 game match, post the PGN's
>>>>>and I (and others) will verify.  I have tried, but did not work for more than a
>>>>>game or two.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do not know how these programs adapt, but they did using learning or
>>>>>programming, you will need to ask the programmers, not me, I can only tell you
>>>>>how my program "Dallas" handles it, but the learning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>AFAIK none of the named programs have position learning only book learning.
>>>>Once a win is found by taking the program out of book, making a few branch
>>>>factors by analysis, it should be repeatable. Remember for a program to be
>>>>2600 ELO it should win 10/10 from me.
>>>
>>>I will assume you are a average play, Let me run the program and book, I will
>>>produce that result for you if that would make you happy.
>>
>>
>>I would consider myself average against humans not against pc's.
>>I want to know in advance the same as a GM would.
>>The pc your using, program, ram and opening book and the book must be
>>commercially available.
>
>Sorry Sarah would would be toasted, because the GM would not know the opening
>book, and the books do not have to be commercially available. So their goes your
>game plan, computer 10 - Sarah 0.

A pc program should have a standard commercially available book.
It should play the same on any PC.

So I'll play without knowing the book np, as long as it's a commercial
book not a homebuild. Just give me the other info, that's enough.

>Post 1000 games on here were you control what the program plays, it means
>nothing.

Means nothing to you.
We started this about three hours ago, lets see you post a game where you
can control the moves. If it's so easy you should post one in about 2 hours
or so as I did.

Sarah.







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