Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 07:40:31 06/26/01
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On June 26, 2001 at 10:10:06, Chessfun wrote:
>On June 26, 2001 at 09:16:44, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:10:10, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:02:45, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:45:11, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:12:01, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 07:17:56, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[D]1rb1k1nr/2q1bppp/p1npp3/2p5/1pP1PB2/3P1NPP/PP2NPB1/R2Q1RK1 b
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is clear looking at the game, IM Matsuura was playing to keep the position
>>>>>>>closed against ChessTiger, but ChessTiger refuted this with 17...f5!. Opening
>>>>>>>the position and beating IM Matsuura(2467 Elo).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tactics (anti-computer) that work against programs at "blitz" time controls do
>>>>>>not work against computers at longer time controls.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's nonsense.
>>>>>The same was said 5 or 6 years ago against Pentium 100's.
>>>>>Yet these blitz games you are now looking at are the equal
>>>>>of tournament controls on P100's.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Trojan horse, stonewall, dutch, indian, KIA, KID, ... may be a good strategy
>>>>>>(anti-computer), but at 40/2 programs are much stronger than 2100, the results
>>>>>>show it, I have tried it with very limited success and the programs adapt
>>>>>>quickly to the strategy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tell me please of the program that adapted to the strategy and how?.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>
>>>>Rebel Century, Chess Tiger, Deep Junior, Deep Fritz.
>>>>
>>>>Try it yourself at 40/2. If you can win 50% in a 10 game match, post the PGN's
>>>>and I (and others) will verify. I have tried, but did not work for more than a
>>>>game or two.
>>>>
>>>>I do not know how these programs adapt, but they did using learning or
>>>>programming, you will need to ask the programmers, not me, I can only tell you
>>>>how my program "Dallas" handles it, but the learning.
>>>>
>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>Chris Carson
>>>
>>>
>>>AFAIK none of the named programs have position learning only book learning.
>>>Once a win is found by taking the program out of book, making a few branch
>>>factors by analysis, it should be repeatable. Remember for a program to be
>>>2600 ELO it should win 10/10 from me.
>>
>>I will assume you are a average play, Let me run the program and book, I will
>>produce that result for you if that would make you happy.
>
>
>I would consider myself average against humans not against pc's.
>I want to know in advance the same as a GM would.
>The pc your using, program, ram and opening book and the book must be
>commercially available.
>
>For your fun !!
>
>While typing these posts this morning I started playing a game on my other pc
>against Deep Fritz. TB 945 mhz, 60 mins game.
>
>Here is the pgn.
>The game never finished but I have to go out, but believe me....It's WON.
>
>[Event "Level=Blitz:60'"]
>[Site "Scarb"]
>[Date "2001.06.26"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Sarah"]
>[Black "Deep Fritz"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[ECO "B20"]
>[PlyCount "78"]
>[EventDate "2001.06.26"]
>
>{56MB, DeepFritz.ctg. TB 945
>} 1. e4 {0} 1... c5 {0} 2. Na3 {3} 2... Nc6 {
>0.19/14 103} 3. h4 {21} 3... Nf6 {-0.28/14 123} 4. d3 {85} 4... d6 {-0.34/13 56
>} 5. f4 {156} 5... e5 {-0.38/13 0} 6. f5 {18} 6... d5 {-0.44/12 133} 7. g4 {176
>} 7... c4 {-0.69/12 0} 8. g5 {13} 8... Ng8 {-0.63/11 101} 9. Bg2 {49} 9...
>Bxa3 {-0.78/11 79} 10. bxa3 {3} 10... Qa5+ {-0.72/12 89} 11. Kf2 {19} 11... Qb6+
>{-1.00/11 208} 12. Be3 {4} 12... d4 {-0.94/13 90} 13. Bc1 {46} 13... Qc5 {
>-0.97/12 21} 14. h5 {23} 14... h6 {-0.94/14 143} 15. g6 {130} 15... fxg6 {
>-0.84/14 67} 16. fxg6 {11} 16... Nf6 {-1.75/12 31} 17. Bf3 {7} 17... O-O {
>-1.66/14 189} 18. Kg2 {129} 18... Be6 {-1.66/14 0} 19. Nh3 {4} 19... c3 {
>-1.72/12 38} 20. Ng5 {315} 20... hxg5 {-3.47/13 28} 21. h6 {7} 21... gxh6 {
>-3.88/13 84} 22. Rxh6 {9} 22... g4 {-3.22/14 0} 23. Qh1 {46} 23... gxf3+ {
>-3.22/12 0} 24. Kf1 {3} 24... Kg7 {-3.09/13 60} 25. Bg5 {143} 25... Rg8 {
>-2.50/14 0} 26. Bxf6+ {12} 26... Kf8 {-2.34/14 37} 27. Rh7 {449} 27... Ke8 {
>-3.06/12 78} 28. Qh5 {43} 28... Qf8 {-2.59/13 34} 29. Bg5 {12} 29... b5 {
>-3.56/12 86} 30. Kf2 {36} 30... Rc8 {-2.97/12 2} 31. Rg1 {5} 31... Qd6 {
>-3.25/12 44} 32. Rg3 {7} 32... Bxa2 {-3.03/12 65} 33. Bh4 {6} 33... b4 {
>-1.84/13 0} 34. axb4 {26} 34... a6 {-1.59/12 24} 35. Rf7 {18} 35... Rc7 {
>0.53/12 61} 36. Qh7 {30} 36... Rxf7 {1.50/14 19} 37. Qxg8+ {174} 37... Qf8 {
>2.78/16 0} 38. gxf7+ {5} 38... Bxf7 {3.06/14 12} 39. Qh7 {10} 39... Ne7 {
>3.19/13 28} 0-1
>
>Make of it what you will.
>
>Sarah.
Hello Sarah!
You played a wonderful game. You played this with many feeling (German: mit viel
Gefühl)!
My congratulation!
Kind Regards,
Eduard
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