Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 13:18:57 06/26/01
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On June 26, 2001 at 13:53:06, Chessfun wrote:
>On June 26, 2001 at 10:40:31, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2001 at 10:10:06, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:16:44, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:10:10, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 09:02:45, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:45:11, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 08:12:01, Chris Carson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On June 26, 2001 at 07:17:56, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[D]1rb1k1nr/2q1bppp/p1npp3/2p5/1pP1PB2/3P1NPP/PP2NPB1/R2Q1RK1 b
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is clear looking at the game, IM Matsuura was playing to keep the position
>>>>>>>>>closed against ChessTiger, but ChessTiger refuted this with 17...f5!. Opening
>>>>>>>>>the position and beating IM Matsuura(2467 Elo).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Tactics (anti-computer) that work against programs at "blitz" time controls do
>>>>>>>>not work against computers at longer time controls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's nonsense.
>>>>>>>The same was said 5 or 6 years ago against Pentium 100's.
>>>>>>>Yet these blitz games you are now looking at are the equal
>>>>>>>of tournament controls on P100's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Trojan horse, stonewall, dutch, indian, KIA, KID, ... may be a good strategy
>>>>>>>>(anti-computer), but at 40/2 programs are much stronger than 2100, the results
>>>>>>>>show it, I have tried it with very limited success and the programs adapt
>>>>>>>>quickly to the strategy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tell me please of the program that adapted to the strategy and how?.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rebel Century, Chess Tiger, Deep Junior, Deep Fritz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Try it yourself at 40/2. If you can win 50% in a 10 game match, post the PGN's
>>>>>>and I (and others) will verify. I have tried, but did not work for more than a
>>>>>>game or two.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do not know how these programs adapt, but they did using learning or
>>>>>>programming, you will need to ask the programmers, not me, I can only tell you
>>>>>>how my program "Dallas" handles it, but the learning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best Regards,
>>>>>>Chris Carson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>AFAIK none of the named programs have position learning only book learning.
>>>>>Once a win is found by taking the program out of book, making a few branch
>>>>>factors by analysis, it should be repeatable. Remember for a program to be
>>>>>2600 ELO it should win 10/10 from me.
>>>>
>>>>I will assume you are a average play, Let me run the program and book, I will
>>>>produce that result for you if that would make you happy.
>>>
>>>
>>>I would consider myself average against humans not against pc's.
>>>I want to know in advance the same as a GM would.
>>>The pc your using, program, ram and opening book and the book must be
>>>commercially available.
>>>
>>>For your fun !!
>>>
>>>While typing these posts this morning I started playing a game on my other pc
>>>against Deep Fritz. TB 945 mhz, 60 mins game.
>>>
>>>Here is the pgn.
>>>The game never finished but I have to go out, but believe me....It's WON.
>>>
>>>[Event "Level=Blitz:60'"]
>>>[Site "Scarb"]
>>>[Date "2001.06.26"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Sarah"]
>>>[Black "Deep Fritz"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>[ECO "B20"]
>>>[PlyCount "78"]
>>>[EventDate "2001.06.26"]
>>>
>>>{56MB, DeepFritz.ctg. TB 945
>>>} 1. e4 {0} 1... c5 {0} 2. Na3 {3} 2... Nc6 {
>>>0.19/14 103} 3. h4 {21} 3... Nf6 {-0.28/14 123} 4. d3 {85} 4... d6 {-0.34/13 56
>>>} 5. f4 {156} 5... e5 {-0.38/13 0} 6. f5 {18} 6... d5 {-0.44/12 133} 7. g4 {176
>>>} 7... c4 {-0.69/12 0} 8. g5 {13} 8... Ng8 {-0.63/11 101} 9. Bg2 {49} 9...
>>>Bxa3 {-0.78/11 79} 10. bxa3 {3} 10... Qa5+ {-0.72/12 89} 11. Kf2 {19} 11... Qb6+
>>>{-1.00/11 208} 12. Be3 {4} 12... d4 {-0.94/13 90} 13. Bc1 {46} 13... Qc5 {
>>>-0.97/12 21} 14. h5 {23} 14... h6 {-0.94/14 143} 15. g6 {130} 15... fxg6 {
>>>-0.84/14 67} 16. fxg6 {11} 16... Nf6 {-1.75/12 31} 17. Bf3 {7} 17... O-O {
>>>-1.66/14 189} 18. Kg2 {129} 18... Be6 {-1.66/14 0} 19. Nh3 {4} 19... c3 {
>>>-1.72/12 38} 20. Ng5 {315} 20... hxg5 {-3.47/13 28} 21. h6 {7} 21... gxh6 {
>>>-3.88/13 84} 22. Rxh6 {9} 22... g4 {-3.22/14 0} 23. Qh1 {46} 23... gxf3+ {
>>>-3.22/12 0} 24. Kf1 {3} 24... Kg7 {-3.09/13 60} 25. Bg5 {143} 25... Rg8 {
>>>-2.50/14 0} 26. Bxf6+ {12} 26... Kf8 {-2.34/14 37} 27. Rh7 {449} 27... Ke8 {
>>>-3.06/12 78} 28. Qh5 {43} 28... Qf8 {-2.59/13 34} 29. Bg5 {12} 29... b5 {
>>>-3.56/12 86} 30. Kf2 {36} 30... Rc8 {-2.97/12 2} 31. Rg1 {5} 31... Qd6 {
>>>-3.25/12 44} 32. Rg3 {7} 32... Bxa2 {-3.03/12 65} 33. Bh4 {6} 33... b4 {
>>>-1.84/13 0} 34. axb4 {26} 34... a6 {-1.59/12 24} 35. Rf7 {18} 35... Rc7 {
>>>0.53/12 61} 36. Qh7 {30} 36... Rxf7 {1.50/14 19} 37. Qxg8+ {174} 37... Qf8 {
>>>2.78/16 0} 38. gxf7+ {5} 38... Bxf7 {3.06/14 12} 39. Qh7 {10} 39... Ne7 {
>>>3.19/13 28} 0-1
>>>
>>>Make of it what you will.
>>>
>>>Sarah.
>>
>>Hello Sarah!
>>
>>You played a wonderful game. You played this with many feeling (German: mit viel
>>Gefühl)!
>>
>>My congratulation!
>>
>>Kind Regards,
>>Eduard
>
>Thanks Eduard.
>
>I gave Deep a chance to get revenge.
>This time I think I played too quick in the opening and Deep varied
>at move 11. However I was still able to lead it along a similar path.
>
>[Event "Level=Blitz:60'. "]
>[Site "Scarb"]
>[Date "2001.06.26"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Sarah"]
>[Black "Deep Fritz"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "B20"]
>[PlyCount "105"]
>[EventDate "2001.06.26"]
>
>{56MB, DeepFritz.ctg. TB 945
>} 1. e4 {0} 1... c5 {0} 2. Na3 {8} 2... Nc6 {
>0.19/14 105} 3. h4 {4} 3... Nf6 {-0.22/14 161} 4. d3 {2} 4... d6 {-0.31/13 139}
>5. f4 {2} 5... e5 {-0.41/12 122} 6. f5 {2} 6... d5 {-0.44/12 163} 7. g4 {2}
>7... c4 {-0.59/11 99} 8. g5 {2} 8... Ng8 {-0.63/11 150} 9. Bg2 {2} 9... Bxa3 {
>-0.75/11 80} 10. bxa3 {3} 10... Qa5+ {-0.72/12 70} 11. Kf2 {2} 11... d4 {
>-0.91/11 171} 12. Nf3 {55} 12... b6 {-0.81/13 135} 13. h5 {7} 13... h6 {
>-0.88/13 139} 14. g6 {1} 14... Nf6 {-0.88/13 157} 15. Ng5 {422} 15... hxg5 {
>-2.84/12 71} 16. Bxg5 {4} 16... fxg6 {-2.72/11 51} 17. h6 {3} 17... O-O {
>-2.53/10 40} 18. hxg7 {127} 18... Kxg7 {-1.81/10 32} 19. Rh6 {55} 19... Ne7 {
>-2.84/10 43} 20. Qh1 {5} 20... Kf7 {-1.91/10 129} 21. fxg6+ {57} 21... Ke8 {
>-1.38/11 22} 22. g7 {416} 22... Rf7 {-0.72/11 46} 23. Rxf6 {3} 23... Rxf6+ {
>-0.72/9 15} 24. Kg1 {4} 24... Be6 {0.19/11 56} 25. Bxf6 {30} 25... Kd7 {
>0.37/11 13} 26. Bxe7 {4} 26... Kxe7 {1.06/11 23} 27. Rf1 {46} 27... cxd3 {
>1.69/11 35} 28. Qh7 {4} 28... Rg8 {2.50/12 28} 29. Bh3 {7} 29... Qd2 {
>2.50/12 41} 30. Bxe6 {4} 30... Qg5+ {3.66/12 23} 31. Kh2 {22} 31... Rxg7 {
>3.87/14 0} 32. Rf7+ {6} 32... Kxe6 {3.94/15 35} 33. Rxg7 {4} 33... Qd2+ {
>4.47/14 50} 34. Kh3 {36} 34... Qe3+ {4.56/14 84} 35. Rg3 {9} 35... d2 {
>5.19/14 53} 36. Rxe3 {3} 36... d1=Q {5.19/12 10} 37. Qf5+ {2} 37... Kd6 {
>5.47/13 25} 38. Rg3 {1} 38... Qh1+ {5.94/13 75} 39. Kg4 {2} 39... Qd1+ {
>5.78/12 35} 40. Kg5 {2} 40... Qxc2 {5.81/12 33} 41. Kf6 {2} 41... Qc6 {
>6.22/12 18} 42. Qxe5+ {2} 42... Kd7+ {5.94/11 0} 43. Kf5 {4} 43... Kc8 {
>10.91/13 57} 44. Qe6+ {2} 44... Qxe6+ {13.53/16 25} 45. Kxe6 {1} 45... Kb7 {
>13.81/16 14} 46. Kd6 {1} 46... Ka6 {#20/17 56} 47. e5 {2} 47... Kb7 {#18/15 20}
>48. e6 {2} 48... a5 {#14/12 0} 49. e7 {2} 49... Ka6 {#6/7 0} 50. e8=Q {2}
>50... Ka7 {#3/5 0} 51. Rg7+ {2} 51... Ka6 {#2/4 0} 52. a4 {1} 52... d3 {#1/2 0
>} 53. Qa8# {1} 1-0
>
>Sarah.
Great game Sarah!
And against Chess Tiger?
Fallow me!
Regards,
Eduard
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