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Subject: Re: Tournaments

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 14:43:26 04/28/98

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> But it's no longer a matter of points of view.

And you declare this and than it is REAL ?!?
Looks like you are god enrique ?!

>Yesterday Ed posted the following on CCC:
[i shorten it a little]
> Conclusion sofar: AUTO232 is clean including the
>not standard and secret Fritz5 autoplayer.
>
>- Ed -"

And ? What does this say ?
That it is ok for Ed.
And Ed says the same I think:
Still the problem remains:
a) it is NOT standard
b) the autoplayer is secret = unfair advantage to chessBase

But let me try to reply on your post....

>You have the following possibilities:

I was told that I cannot differenciate and I am manichaistic (as Andreas
always tries to prejudice against me).
I think now you are in Czub-mode, or , you are all wrong concerning ME
beeing manichaistic.

First: I have more than your possibilities.
It is ok for ed. That is HIS subjective point of view.
Why do you think I do only have 3 possible point of views.
I don't think my point of views is so limited. Is your point of view
that limited Enrique ?


>1 - Ed cheated to cover up Fritz 5.

Why should Ed "cheat" ?
He said: so far he believes there is no difference or whatever he
said...
but why does this is force me to think he cheats ?
Enrique, you make anything really trivial. I do not behave this easy.
Your black/white image is really horrible Tueschen-Like.


>2 - I cheated by tampering with the logfiles.

Why should YOU cheat ?
You believe the same thing. But you believe. You did not prove it.

>3 - It is proven that the autoplayer Fritz 5 is "clean and free from any
>cheats", as Ed says.

As much as I like whatever Ed has said before, I cannot subscribe to
your interpreatation of eds word. Nothing is proven so far. From MY
point of view. Can you live with the fact that I have point of views and
YOU and ED have point of views and that life is not that easy that ONE
is right and all others wrong or vice versa ?
You follow aristotelic logic enrique.
If a is not true, than it is wrong !
x = a * ( b + c )

Thats your logic.

This is called manichaism. Or binary-logic !
I do not subscribe to this trivial maths.
Sorry.

Light is not a wave and not a particle. You say, if it is no wave
thorsten than you have only these possibilities:

a) x is right  (1-0)
b) x is wrong  (0-1)
c) cannot say if x is right nor can I say if x is right (0.5-0.5)

This is aristotelic logic.
But - and you will maybe on time find out - life works different.

>Your choice. It's time to put up or shut up.

You sound much like Rolfie. Also you sound very crude.
I have not insulted you Enrique. I have not used any offending name
calling.
All I said was that you have a different point of view than I have.
I see no reason for telling me to SHUT UP in the way you have done this
above.
Would you please recognize that my statements are - although you call
them emotional, far away from beeing offending.
I do not want to attack people like rolf is doing it, i want to discuss.
And in a discussion it is important to show the points. If you don't
like them , ok. But why do you shoot that fast and behave this
uncivilized:
put up or shut up.
Thats silly. We are old enough to behave different, or ?
Even when I talk with Frederic I don't ask him: Hose runter Frederic !

Also I don't understand Dirks critique on my comments on Thoralf.
IMO you are all overreacting because you all 3 (moritz, enrique, dirk
[maybe]) are chessBase users, Fritz-lovers and maybe
secret-autoplayer-tester and you now think it is against your honor and
the critics is against yourself losing your face. THATS NOT MY
INTENTION.
It is NOT: Enrique is stupid. Enrique cheats. Moritz is soandso. Moritz
cheats. Dirk is soandso. Dirk cheats.

You seem to react as if you interpret my comments THIS way.
I am far away from calling you, Moritz or Dirk cheaters.

Please calm down and behave like civilized people.
It is NOT against you.
I differenciate people and actions/words.
I do not pin somebody on his words and want that he loses his face.
I am not Rolf.
What has happened to all of you ?

Relax.

Thanks.

>
>Enrique

As a communist I wish you all a very nice 1st may !!




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