Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 15:34:57 04/28/98
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On April 28, 1998 at 18:02:58, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >On April 28, 1998 at 13:28:08, Thorsten Czub wrote: >I am afraid that I shall write a little more than I deem polite. But, I >have to, because I have found Mr. Czub's latest posts both here and on >rgcc rather malign. Why ? Can you concrete this ? >From the above quotes it seems quite obvious that it >is NOT Thoralf Karlsson who is arrogant and aggressive (as described by >Thorsten Czub) but the other way round... I see it other way arround, but - feel free to disagree with me. > The fact that Mr. Czub cannot >present evidence "about which games Fritz is NOT playing since this is >not possible" (sic!) is one of the most irrational statements I've read >so far on this forum, and one full of profound fetishism whose object >of love (katexis) is the 'knowledgeable' program, and whose object of >hate (inverted katexis) is the 'Fritz-like calculator, deep searcher' >and the like. You don't seem to understand the point. I will not comment on this. It makes no sense when you don't understand what Kaare meant. Sorry. > This fetishism runs deep and goes back a long time -- I >remember Mr. Czub's ecstatic reviews of one of the older Kaplan's >programs (Analyst D ++) and his shrieking claims about how it >'understood' chess, and the enormous fonts of the type "NA? Ueberzeugt >dass Kaplan Schach spielen kann? / Wer findet das in welcher Zeit?? / >Hier is ein Plan am Reifen", etc. All this can be and was quite Rolf - du brauchst dich nicht mit verkehrtem Namen anmelden ! Wir sind doch unter uns ! :-))) >enchanting as long as it does not turn into outright disgust with the The version planned the sac ! It is obvious ! It does not play the sac when you setup the position. Only if it has computed before about Bd6 it will play Bxa3. You seem not to understand this point to. What a pity. Instead of critics from the content you talk about formal critics. Thats not sufficient for me to answer you. Sorry. >Other -- be it another concept of programming, another opinion, another >style, and, God forbid, another opponent in discussion. Disgust thwarts >the wish to discuss (have you ever wished to discuss some matter with >someone disgusting?) and leads to a particular sort of prejudice that is >especially rampant in computer chess as we all tend to see the little >bots as extensions of ourselves... little antropomorphic toys that seem >to have a mind of their own. I am afraid that Mr. Czub has crossed the >line and it is nigh impossible to rationally discuss computer chess with >him. Nice song from Cash, walk on the line. Good acting by gregory peck ! > I refrain from extrapolating this conclusion and prefer to remain >within the confines of computer chess, not knowing Mr. Czub personally. No Rolf - we never met us in person. Only by telephone... >I only wish he showed more understanding for opposing programming >concepts. :-))) Tell this to chessBase not to me. THEY filter out anything. I have given big compliments to Chrilly Donninger and his team for making Nimzo98. > The other points he touched upon -- the financial and >political concerns that he mentioned -- are beyond my ken. Obviously ! :-))) >Mr. Czub, >neither Fritz nor CST are faultless, What has CST to do with this discussion ? You try to relate things that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. rolf - give up... you out yourself too easily. >neither are perfect, one of them >excells in one area, the other in another. Please do reacquaint >yourself with parameters different from the ones you care about, and do >remind yourself that the world is not a black-and-white world of >Wittgenstein's Tractatus, but a chiarroscuro etching with fuzzy edges. Exactly. The world is not black/white. You are running into my open doors. Exactly. Thats what my point is ! What a nice turn in the end !! Thanks for your subscribing of my points. Thanks Rolf !! :-))) You made it again :-)) > >Kind regards, > >Djordje
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