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Subject: Re: Na3 wins again - Deep Shredder played an bad move!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:13:12 06/27/01

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On June 27, 2001 at 17:04:37, Chessfun wrote:

>On June 27, 2001 at 13:24:45, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 2001 at 13:09:56, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>>
>>>On June 27, 2001 at 12:45:24, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>
>>>>I post only my fantastical games....and "I'm happy"!
>>>>
>>>>Ok.?
>>>>
>>>>Best wishes,
>>>>Eduard
>>>
>>>Hi Eduard,
>>>Hi Mark,
>>>I think that Eduard discovering about weak points or "bad moves" can be very
>>>helpful for the chess programs developers community because they can learn the
>>>lesson and fix the weak points of the programs, like in this case Shredder.
>>>So I think that the contribution of Eduard is welcome as a "tester" of the
>>>computer creatures.
>>
>>The programs have the weaknesses at the time controls he is playing at, but so
>>what, this is not news to any programmer.
>
>Rubbish. Programs have the weaknesses at all time controls.

Not exactly the same.

Program have weaknesses at all time control but I proved that at least one of
his games with Na3 could not be won at tournament time control.

I am sure that in more games programs may play better and I simply did not check
it.
>
>>He is playing tricks, do it over the board at 40/2 under tournament conditions.
>>He can't do it, unless he knows the programs book, but if you change the way the
>>program played a slight bit he would be lost again. For Eduard to win, he must
>>expolit the computer openness.
>
>What are you talking about? have you even bothered to look at any of his games?.
>The programs are out of book at move 2. So what's the book got to do with
>anything?.

At tournament conditions the programmer can change the book and Eduard is not
going to have a possible way to get the program out of book at move 2.

The number of positions after 2 moves is big enough and it is possible to have
some replies in book against 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 and every short bad line of white.

Uri



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