Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:13:39 06/27/01
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On June 27, 2001 at 16:58:26, Chessfun wrote:
>On June 27, 2001 at 16:03:44, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 2001 at 15:54:59, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>On June 27, 2001 at 15:10:37, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 15:07:41, Côme wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 15:06:33, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 15:04:12, Côme wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 14:59:56, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 14:54:49, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 14:43:44, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 14:17:30, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 13:24:45, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 13:09:56, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 12:45:24, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I post only my fantastical games....and "I'm happy"!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ok.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eduard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Eduard,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think that Eduard discovering about weak points or "bad moves" can be very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>helpful for the chess programs developers community because they can learn the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>lesson and fix the weak points of the programs, like in this case Shredder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>So I think that the contribution of Eduard is welcome as a "tester" of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>computer creatures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The programs have the weaknesses at the time controls he is playing at, but so
>>>>>>>>>>>>what, this is not news to any programmer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He is playing tricks, do it over the board at 40/2 under tournament conditions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>He can't do it, unless he knows the programs book, but if you change the way the
>>>>>>>>>>>>program played a slight bit he would be lost again. For Eduard to win, he must
>>>>>>>>>>>>expolit the computer openness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Have Eduard play Crafty on ICC, and win a match, because Crafty will not lose to
>>>>>>>>>>>>this crap in match play.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Keep up the good work Eduard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>See this posting for You and say your opinion, Ok!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I play no Online-Chess in CCC - Why? But play "live" !
>>>>>>>>>>>Here my posting for You:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"In ICC on-line chess I do not know myself yet out. Those are for me in
>>>>>>>>>>>addition, no normal play conditions. I would play however very gladly a " duel "
>>>>>>>>>>>against GM, on level lightning 5 ', 24 portions and on lightning 30 ', 10
>>>>>>>>>>>portions. That also almost folded it in January 2001, should in the region
>>>>>>>>>>>Stuttgart take place. I had a sponsor at that time already for it, and a German
>>>>>>>>>>>computer journal offered likewise a money on (GM does not play if he no cash for
>>>>>>>>>>>it receives!). I called the magazine (so they wanted to have it) accurate date
>>>>>>>>>>>and place, and was adjusted to it had to be played. The responsible of that
>>>>>>>>>>>magazine however did not want to accept my conditions (" that is too easily for
>>>>>>>>>>>me like that ", said it). My condition was: 14 days before the match I should
>>>>>>>>>>>have the original CD including book and program! The program can learn or? -)
>>>>>>>>>>>One offered with the following conditions (eMail I have still, think I):
>>>>>>>>>>>1. Another place (700 km away from me)
>>>>>>>>>>>2. the program version I may not know
>>>>>>>>>>>3. the initialization book would be likewise prepared
>>>>>>>>>>>4. GM wanted the magazine to place
>>>>>>>>>>>5. I may some hours at the PC practice, more not I rejected in such a way.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I wanted to play " only " against an available PC version including book. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>the place specified by me was ok one, because it would have become a " public
>>>>>>>>>>>event ". At the place which I had suggested, took place "maemlich" a large open
>>>>>>>>>>>- one of the largest open of Germany! Who there too had cowardly been? I am safe
>>>>>>>>>>>that I in the PC duel against of GM (or IN) good chances would have had to win,
>>>>>>>>>>>because I was very well "drauf". Unfortunate that it did not fold.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Correction:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>1. It should be obviously a Computer duell
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>2. (" that is too easily for me like that ", said it) - - > that is not a
>>>>>>>>>>>quotation from eMail separates only summarized words in a general manner! It
>>>>>>>>>>>concerned it that I not too easily to have should with killer courses!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>3. I already knew the program, however I was not allowed to know the version
>>>>>>>>>>>number of the program!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>4. " my schedule " (January 2001) did not fit the magazine, therefore the match
>>>>>>>>>>>should take place elsewhere and in former times (to training I would have then
>>>>>>>>>>>however no time had).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Eduard Nemeth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Training....Just jump online a play Crafty some games, remember you said its
>>>>>>>>>>easy, I say its hard....so prove it when you do not control the program then win
>>>>>>>>>>a match....I say you can't and/or won't do it. You know the outcome as well as
>>>>>>>>>>I...Crafty wins.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I played not online-chess but I played many years in chess-club, and in the
>>>>>>>>>chess-club I played "live" against human "and against computer too"!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When I can "live" play against computer, than is this for me Ok.
>>>>>>>>>and very interesting than this makes me happy - but online chess not.
>>>>>>>>>You can for You online-chess play but, please let me "my chess" play. Ok.?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How convenient for you……I sure it has nothing to do with you not being able to
>>>>>>>>control the outcome of game…….What ever. I must be a profit because I knew you
>>>>>>>>would refuse to back up your claims.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>Eduard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hello !
>>>>>>>Why do you attack Eduard ?
>>>>>>>You think games he post are somewhat fixed or manipulated ?
>>>>>>>Crafty is not invicible you know, it is beatable even at blitz.
>>>>>>>Best regards
>>>>>>>Alexandre Côme
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure it is, but not by a player of his skill level when he can not control the
>>>>>>outcome....THAT IS THE POINT.
>>>>>
>>>>>How do you know his skill level ?
>>>>
>>>>Because I know he is not a FM, IM, or GM. Do you know something I don't about
>>>>his skill level.
>>>
>>>Hello Mark!
>>>
>>>Give me 10.000 Dollars and I play against the German Champion an match , Ok.?
>>>I asked last Year an gernman national Master (!)- on telephon - for a match
>>>on ten games Blitz 30'. He say me Ok. but only > 5.000 Dollars.
>>>When I have 10.000 Dollas, than this match (i belive) run, and all this "live" !
>>
>>No not OK! What does that have to do with playing computers, you can do that for
>>free...but you refuse....I wonder why?
>>
>>I was told to "check with Eduard", as you could prove computer's are 2100, weak,
>>easy to beat or some such nonsense....I checked and got my answer.
>
>
>More fabrications, please show a post where you were told;
>("check with Eduard", as you could prove computer's are 2100, weak, easy to
>beat.}
>
>But the fact is he does prove computers are easy to beat.
>It was never written by Eduard nor I that he could prove computer's
>are 2100 and you know it.
>
>He beats them without book, he beats them by the engines choice
>of move and this can be done at any time control with any available program.
>
>I am sure you have read the recent post by Bob on where the 2100 came from, so
>why not get off the soap box?....oh and while you at it where is my apology?.
>
>Sarah.
1)I understand that Mark young was wrong when he accused you for the fact that
chris carson left but his guess was a logical guess because of your behaviour.
"Sounds like nonsense to me." are your words to chris carson when he did not
talk like this against someone but only said general things about reasons that
people believe in some things.
I did not find his post as a personal attack directly against somebody.
You could criticize his behaviour but I do not think that saying: "sound like
nonsense" is the right way to criticize.
Suspecting that people say things because of reasons that are not the truth is
not illogical.
It is clearly bad behaviour if you have no proof and use names(Chris did not use
names).
2)Please stop your behaviour against Mark young.
You are not going to get an apology by attacking him and I do not see it as
productive.
More fabrications are not the right words here.
Eduard did not say that computers are 2100 but other people said things that
created the impression that computers are 2100 and that Eduard can prove it.
Uri
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