Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:22:17 06/27/01
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On June 27, 2001 at 17:22:18, Chessfun wrote: >On June 27, 2001 at 17:13:12, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On June 27, 2001 at 17:04:37, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On June 27, 2001 at 13:24:45, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On June 27, 2001 at 13:09:56, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 12:45:24, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I post only my fantastical games....and "I'm happy"! >>>>>> >>>>>>Ok.? >>>>>> >>>>>>Best wishes, >>>>>>Eduard >>>>> >>>>>Hi Eduard, >>>>>Hi Mark, >>>>>I think that Eduard discovering about weak points or "bad moves" can be very >>>>>helpful for the chess programs developers community because they can learn the >>>>>lesson and fix the weak points of the programs, like in this case Shredder. >>>>>So I think that the contribution of Eduard is welcome as a "tester" of the >>>>>computer creatures. >>>> >>>>The programs have the weaknesses at the time controls he is playing at, but so >>>>what, this is not news to any programmer. >>> >>>Rubbish. Programs have the weaknesses at all time controls. >> >>Not exactly the same. > >Not exactly the same more weaknesses but they have weaknesses. > >>Program have weaknesses at all time control but I proved that at least one of >>his games with Na3 could not be won at tournament time control. > >No you proved simply that at a specific more juncture the program >would play a different move, that's a totally different thing altogether. You are right but it seems to me that after Kg8 instead of going forward with the king Eduard could not win. I did not prove that he could not win by the same line but this was my impression. > >>I am sure that in more games programs may play better and I simply did not check >>it. > >As the human also has a right to play better. > >>> >>>>He is playing tricks, do it over the board at 40/2 under tournament conditions. >>>>He can't do it, unless he knows the programs book, but if you change the way the >>>>program played a slight bit he would be lost again. For Eduard to win, he must >>>>expolit the computer openness. >>> >>>What are you talking about? have you even bothered to look at any of his games?. >>>The programs are out of book at move 2. So what's the book got to do with >>>anything?. >> >>At tournament conditions the programmer can change the book and Eduard is not >>going to have a possible way to get the program out of book at move 2. >> >>The number of positions after 2 moves is big enough and it is possible to have >>some replies in book against 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 and every short bad line of white. > >The only way is for these type of oddity openings being booked and that >isn't the case with current commercial programs. There are many other lines >that take a program out of book and to make lines for them all is almost >impossible. > >Sarah. It can be done automatically by the program. I remember that someone posted here that the shortest way to get his program out of book was to sacrifice material. It was something like 1.d4 c5 2.dxc5 d5 3.cxd6 e5 something like 1.d4 c6 2.c4 a6 does not work. Uri
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