Author: Dirk Frickenschmidt
Date: 17:50:51 04/28/98
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On April 28, 1998 at 17:43:26, Thorsten Czub wrote: Hi Thorsten, I'm sorry I have to protest again. What I said about your post to Thoralf counts similar for what I see you tell Enrique. It is offensive and lacking all rules of fair reasoning from my point of view. You dare to doubt Enriques integrity in the former post of this thread? What a lousy, dirty kind of remark you made about him and Ed testing the autoplayer. I really stop finding this funny or just a matter of personal taste! >> But it's no longer a matter of points of view. > >And you declare this and than it is REAL ?!? >Looks like you are god enrique ?! What has a simple statement concerning undebatable reality (namely: there was *nothing* unusual in the auto232 protocols a programmer could well judge) to do with claiming god status? Nothing of course. It rather raises the questins if you at the moment are still willing or able to accept some of the most elementary forms of simple truth. And this hardly has anything to do with Heisenberg or ufology. It rather is related to counting from one to three. One hand and a faint rest of good will is reqired, not much more. >>Yesterday Ed posted the following on CCC: >[i shorten it a little] >> Conclusion sofar: AUTO232 is clean including the >>not standard and secret Fritz5 autoplayer. >> >>- Ed -" > >And ? What does this say ? >That it is ok for Ed. Ed is probably able to get more information than a faint subjective feeling or a matter of taste from this. As anybody else with a rest of common sense should be able as well. To put it in plain words: At least this indicates that is *higly* *improbable* that there is anything wrong with the autoplayer. Is this so hard to acknowledge? Or would you prefer to interpret that it only cheats Mchess? Or Genius? Or that it only cheats at night when nobody is obeserving it? Perhaps that it stops cheating soon as somebody turns the light on? So we never now? Like in the powerbook? >It is ok for ed. That is HIS subjective point of view. Simple tests of this kinds are no matter of pure subjectivity. Belief is a matter of subjectivity. An auto232 protocol designed by a programmer is something else. It limits the possible interpretations considerably. It's quite a pain if I as a pastor have to remind you of such simple matters of logic you could well know and probably do well know. >This is called manichaism. Or binary-logic ! >I do not subscribe to this trivial maths. >Sorry. We probably should involve some kind of fuzzy logic or micro physics for solving the problem of interpreting an autoplayer protocol? Or claim it is fundamentally embracing the secret of all being? Enrique is completey right: >>Your choice. It's time to put up or shut up. But the only thing you have to offer is: >You sound much like Rolfie. Also you sound very crude. A tastless offence. We are not amused. >I have not insulted you Enrique. I have not used any offending name >calling. Just a comparison with Rolf. Thanks. Really flattering again, he? Do you not think it is insulting to characterize the sincere effort of Ed and Enrique to put some light into open questions as subjective interpretation of a so-called chessbase friend, if not much less? Look at the formulation you used? Do you find this ok??? If I were Enrique I would for sure feel hurt by your comments. >All I said was that you have a different point of view than I have. >I see no reason for telling me to SHUT UP in the way you have done this >above. No, it is not about shutting up in general. It is about shutting up with silly dark allegations if it becomes more and more probable that they are without any solid ground. Not at all too much requested. >Would you please recognize that my statements are - although you call >them emotional, far away from beeing offending. >I do not want to attack people like rolf is doing it, i want to discuss. >And in a discussion it is important to show the points. If you don't >like them , ok. But why do you shoot that fast and behave this >uncivilized: >put up or shut up. >Thats silly. We are old enough to behave different, or ? >Even when I talk with Frederic I don't ask him: Hose runter Frederic ! > >Also I don't understand Dirks critique on my comments on Thoralf. >IMO you are all overreacting because you all 3 (moritz, enrique, dirk >[maybe]) are chessBase users, Fritz-lovers and maybe >secret-autoplayer-tester and you now think it is against your honor and >the critics is against yourself losing your face. THATS NOT MY >INTENTION. Again: have a second view at how you characterize us! May I tell you that I am not in love with Fritz5, but rather with my wife and children? Or that the only one in danger of losing his face is always the one who claims unproven things and clings to them even after they become more and more hard to believe? And that he causes this problem for himself, not forced by others? >It is NOT: Enrique is stupid. Enrique cheats. Moritz is soandso. Moritz >cheats. Dirk is soandso. Dirk cheats. Of course not. What is it then? What do you think could make the simple facts wrong which we observe? Taste? Being in love with Fritz? Gamma waves? What? >You seem to react as if you interpret my comments THIS way. >I am far away from calling you, Moritz or Dirk cheaters. > >Please calm down and behave like civilized people. >It is NOT against you. >I differenciate people and actions/words. You rather left the opposite impression here recently. You can see that not only from answers of one of us. It is not only my perception. Kind regards from Dirk
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