Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:01:56 06/28/01
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On June 28, 2001 at 03:03:11, Martin Schubert wrote: >On June 27, 2001 at 23:17:01, Chessfun wrote: > >>On June 27, 2001 at 18:22:17, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 27, 2001 at 17:22:18, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On June 27, 2001 at 17:13:12, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 17:04:37, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 13:24:45, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 13:09:56, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On June 27, 2001 at 12:45:24, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I post only my fantastical games....and "I'm happy"! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Ok.? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Best wishes, >>>>>>>>>Eduard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi Eduard, >>>>>>>>Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>I think that Eduard discovering about weak points or "bad moves" can be very >>>>>>>>helpful for the chess programs developers community because they can learn the >>>>>>>>lesson and fix the weak points of the programs, like in this case Shredder. >>>>>>>>So I think that the contribution of Eduard is welcome as a "tester" of the >>>>>>>>computer creatures. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The programs have the weaknesses at the time controls he is playing at, but so >>>>>>>what, this is not news to any programmer. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rubbish. Programs have the weaknesses at all time controls. >>>>> >>>>>Not exactly the same. >>>> >>>>Not exactly the same more weaknesses but they have weaknesses. >>>> >>>>>Program have weaknesses at all time control but I proved that at least one of >>>>>his games with Na3 could not be won at tournament time control. >>>> >>>>No you proved simply that at a specific more juncture the program >>>>would play a different move, that's a totally different thing altogether. >>> >>>You are right but it seems to me that after Kg8 instead of going forward with >>>the king Eduard could not win. >>> >>>I did not prove that he could not win by the same line but this was my >>>impression. >> >> >>Then that was what you should have posted instead of what you posted. >> >>>> >>>>>I am sure that in more games programs may play better and I simply did not check >>>>>it. >>>> >>>>As the human also has a right to play better. >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>He is playing tricks, do it over the board at 40/2 under tournament conditions. >>>>>>>He can't do it, unless he knows the programs book, but if you change the way the >>>>>>>program played a slight bit he would be lost again. For Eduard to win, he must >>>>>>>expolit the computer openness. >>>>>> >>>>>>What are you talking about? have you even bothered to look at any of his games?. >>>>>>The programs are out of book at move 2. So what's the book got to do with >>>>>>anything?. >>>>> >>>>>At tournament conditions the programmer can change the book and Eduard is not >>>>>going to have a possible way to get the program out of book at move 2. >>>>> >>>>>The number of positions after 2 moves is big enough and it is possible to have >>>>>some replies in book against 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 and every short bad line of white. >>>> >>>>The only way is for these type of oddity openings being booked and that >>>>isn't the case with current commercial programs. There are many other lines >>>>that take a program out of book and to make lines for them all is almost >>>>impossible. >>>> >>>>Sarah. >>> >>>It can be done automatically by the program. >>> >>>I remember that someone posted here that the shortest way to get his program out >>>of book was to sacrifice material. >>> >>>It was something like 1.d4 c5 2.dxc5 d5 3.cxd6 e5 >>> >>>something like 1.d4 c6 2.c4 a6 does not work. >> >>Whatever try h4 or a4 they both work. >> >>Sarah. > >I think it's not important which moves work and which don't. There are a lot of >possibilities. For example in closed sicilian I think there are so many moves >possible. You can't put everything in the book. > >Martin It seems that few understand the concept of "exponential growth". Otherwise they would not look forward to typing even a 4-ply book. at only 4 plies total, that is 197000 moves. 5 plies makes that almost 5 million moves. And 5 plies won't cover very much..
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