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Subject: Re: Na3 wins again - Deep Shredder played an bad move!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:55:21 06/28/01

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On June 28, 2001 at 09:16:47, Uri Blass wrote:

>
>The book does not include every legal move so practically you need clearly less
>than 197000 moves to cover 4 plies in your book.
>
>Another point is that some of the positions are the same with different order of
>moves and you only need to rememeber the positions
>
>It is possible to cover 6 plies and it is practically enough to avoid repeating
>the same line gain  and again.

This is one of those cases where it "looks easy" but is not.  Try to sit down
and write such a book and see how hard it is to type a few hundred thousand
moves and make sure you don't include moves that lose quickly.

Then the book learning is going to make you try each choice for the computer
and then nix it when it loses.  Meanwhile, the same theme arises over and
over with the computer out of book.  If it has an opening weakness, it will
be obvious...



>
>The computer can avoid repetition of the same 3 moves in hundreds of games
>when it has 5-10 responses in almost every position.
>Even if you use only 2 plies you can get a lot of different games.
>
>first game may be 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 d6
>second game 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 e6
>third game 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6
>4th game 1.e4 c5 2.Na3 Nc6
>5th game 1.e4 e6 2.Qe2 e5...
>
>You are going to  need a lot of games to get one repetition of a line that was
>played in the past and humans have better things to do then to learn hundreds of
>lines against the machine and they need not only to learn hundreds of lines but
>also to find hundreds of lines to beat the machine.
>
>Uri


You don't necessarily have to repeat the same "game" to win over and over.
The computer is out of book so quickly the same weakness will be seen repeatedly
since the book is not really helping it when it is that shallow.



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