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Subject: Re: What ever Happened to Kaissia and Ostrich?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:32:32 06/28/01

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On June 28, 2001 at 15:37:24, Joshua Lee wrote:

>>
>>That was indeed sad.  Most programs of the day could not find those mates.
>>Speeds of 100 nodes per second were pretty fast back then.  Chess 4.x only
>>did 2600 nodes per second as it won most of the 1970's events...
>
>
>How effective were those 2600 nodes though? Pioneer took several Hours (3:45:00)
>on a Nadareishvili Study , most programs solve this with millions of nodes
>instead of 200 like Pioneer!
>

Those nodes (chess 4.x) were very similar to today's nodes.

Don't believe the Pioneer analysis.  Berliner proved that it was mostly
fabrication and fake.  Little "meat".


>How fast would Chess 4.x be on todays hardware? Can someone get a copy a test it>against Crafty or some other program?


It was written in CDC cyber assembly language (Compass).  Won't run on today's
machines.




>
>I mentioned Ostrich but i was confused i am really looking for information about
>Chaos. Chaos played some extreemly impressive moves for instance:
>
>Chaos - Chess 4.0
>
>[D] rq2k2r/3n1ppp/p2bpnb1/8/Np1N4/1B3PP1/PP2Q2P/R1BR2K1 w kq - 0 1
>
>16.Nxe6!!  Chaos took 587 seconds to find this move it was searching 4500 nodes
>every 3 minutes or about 25 a second.
>Hiarcs 7.32 found this at 10/30 ply and 56.595.000 nodes 17:36
>Gandalf found this at 7ply 5 seconds  450,000 nodes
>


Neither matters.  Chaos and Gandalf are doing it for positional reasons,
not tactical reasons. I was there to see Chaos play that.  It also played
the same game against Nuchess a few years later (successor to chess 4.x).




>Chaos was on a UNIVAC 1110 it looked at only 14,675 nodes this was on an
>extreemly slow computer by todays standards and it would probably take a second.

I don't ever remembering them running on a univac machine.  They used an IBM
or Amdahl at every event I remember seeing them in.  If you are interested in
a specific year, I am pretty sure I have every ACM tournament booklet...






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