Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 23:35:22 06/28/01
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On June 25, 2001 at 03:32:24, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 25, 2001 at 00:52:23, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On June 24, 2001 at 15:15:21, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 24, 2001 at 14:27:12, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On June 24, 2001 at 03:25:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 24, 2001 at 00:33:34, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 22, 2001 at 10:58:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 22, 2001 at 09:36:17, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>chessbase could get good PR out of this by focussing on the fact that >>>>>>>>deepfritz will search way deeper as deep blue did! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not a single chance in hell this would happen. >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>yes, you are, as always, 100% correct. >>>>>> >>>>>>I really do not understand how people can think a chess program which can play >>>>>>about 2200 in close positions and 2600 in open positions (extimated ratings) >>>>>>against one of the strongest player of the World can have any chance expecially >>>>>>since the human player will know exactly what the opponent will play. This would >>>>>>bring down the strenght of the program of at least another 200 points! >>>>> >>>>>Fritz is better than 2600 in open positions and 2200 in closed position. >>>>> >>>>>2900 in open positions and 2500 in closed position seems to be more realistic. >>>> >>>>No if talking about human Elo. I do not believe it. >>>>> >>>>>A computer with rating of 2600 in open positions and 2200 in closed position >>>>>could not get performance of more than 2400 against humans even if the humans do >>>>>no special preperation and old Fritz got prerformance of more than 2400 in the >>>>>israeli league on hardware that is clearly slower than the hardware against >>>>>kramnik even after part of the humans did special preperation. >>>> >>>>Ok, but the computers are very good against chess players up to 2500 Elo, so >>>>this may give the impression they play about 2600 as an average. >>>>Against stronger opponents (2650 and above) they would score less. >>> >>>The opposite >>>Against strong humans they score more points >>>The best performance of computers against humans was not against weak 2400 >>>players but against players with average rating of 2702. >> >>At blitz and fast games not at slow games. Dear Uri, > >No >I am talking about the best performance at tournament time control(if you do not >include deeper blue) Yes, but a performance in a tournament is not the same like to play a match against a strong player. Also the strongest players were the ones to know less about chess programs until they started to score better. So I believe in a match, expecially after studying the opponent, a strong GM would score quite high against a chess program. I was, together with Marty Hirsch, the first one to beat a GM (Igor Efimov) in a match at slow games (6). So I know the problems... > >Deep Junior got this best performance of 2702 at 2 hours/40 moves games in >dortmund. Yes I know, but it was one time. After 3 or 4 of these performances we can thing about these ratings. > >Uri Sandro
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