Author: Slater Wold
Date: 02:28:25 07/01/01
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On July 01, 2001 at 03:35:28, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 01, 2001 at 02:11:32, Kurt Utzinger wrote: > >>On June 30, 2001 at 23:02:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On June 30, 2001 at 17:17:41, Fernando Villegas wrote: >>> >>>>Hi: >>>>If you look at the ganme Adams won to Pocket Fritz, you will concur that we are >>>>facing a program that, at least in this game, left the human side to kill him as >>>>a child. The most elemental king attack I have seen in years and nevertheles >>>>went OK. Blacks messing around in the queen side with no idea what to do as >>>>amads prepared the knife. Not even elemental defensives moves to prevent what >>>>was clearly coming with the obvious machine bishop-queen in the diagonal. >>>>Sorry, but I have a Fidelity old piece of plastic that plays better than that... >>>>Fernando >>> >>> >>>You sound surprised. If you take a program that plays well at 1000K nodes >>>per second, and run it on hardware where it can only search 1K nodes per >>>second, what would you logically expect to happen? It will play with 1/1000th >>>the skill (or even worse). >> >>In my opinion the whole Pocket Fritz concept is wrong. Why not use a more pure >>tactical program instead of SMK's Shredder that has too much knowledge to run on >>such a low hardware. >>Kurt > >I do not believe that it has too much knowledge. > >The problem is simply that it has not enough knowledge. >I do not believe that shredder has more knowledge than Junior and Fritz and I >can see it does positional mistakes that Junior or Fritz can avoid because they >have better positional understanding. > >I also do not believe that a program with more knowledge should be weaker in >tactics. > >The opposite. >A program with more knowledge should be stronger in tactics because of better >knowledge which lines to prune and which lines to extend and better order of >moves. > >Uri I believe Shredder to be the weakest of all programs against humans. This is from first hand experience too. It will fall for trojans, and even the simplest of kingside attacks. However it is the "Champion" chess program. Strange how that works, eh? I believe that all the knowledge Shredder has is simply computer vs computer knowledge that is worthless against humans. Perhaps SMK forgot that people wouldn't be connecting their iPaq's to internet chess servers. :) Slate
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