Author: Hristo
Date: 12:22:22 07/01/01
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On July 01, 2001 at 15:09:07, Mark Young wrote: >On July 01, 2001 at 14:53:10, Mike S. wrote: > >>On July 01, 2001 at 14:19:39, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On July 01, 2001 at 13:57:22, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>>>(...) >>>>But now a subtle question arises ... Which of the three above mentioned >>>>categories does the top programs belongs to ? >>>>Probably this is the second step in definition ... >> >>>The data suggest strongly that the computers >>>are in the Elite Grandmaster ranks. >>>Tiger like Junior is confirming this data. (...) >> >>>That is why the GM argument is like arguing if the world if flat or round. >> >>It seems to me that a difficulty (so to speak) in this discussion may be, that >>not everybody is willing to apply the *same criteria to man and machine*, to >>decide who or what is GM level. Which you mentioned: a certain success in games, >>as the rules require it (and the elo performance according to that). >> >>But computers look a lot different then humans, so people might think they do >>not deserve the same criteria as humans. So, for example, they might ask if the >>program has all the complete range of standard chess knowledge, like the average >>GM has it. And if the program can't i.e. win queen against rook, which most GM's >>can do easily :o), than it cannot be GM level. > >Funny you should use the above example, I think it was GM Browne that could not >beat the computer with Queen vs Rook against Belle. GM Browne after some >practice was able to beat the computer in this ending. This ending is very hard >to win against the perfect play of computers. > >> >>Of course, as soon as a human player meets all conditions for the title, nobody >>will want to check if he has the complete range of knowledge (to declare him >>Non-GM if he has not). > >In chess as in life, I don't have that bias, against people or computers, it is >just my nature. I see only the board and the results. ohhh ... yessss ... and you also have a "flat head" ... ;-)))) best regards Mark. hristo > > >> >>Regards, >>M.Scheidl
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