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Subject: Re: Chess Tigger Better against humans than against computers??

Author: Otello Gnaramori

Date: 05:14:27 07/03/01

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On July 03, 2001 at 07:47:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 03, 2001 at 07:01:35, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>
>>On July 03, 2001 at 05:47:22, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>On July 03, 2001 at 04:37:17, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 03, 2001 at 03:33:58, Adolfo Bormida wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>According the games played, I have *only* the suspect that CT 14 maybe is more
>>>>>strong against humans than against computer. Gambit Tiger 2 is ahead in the
>>>>>Sweden List, but against hummans is better than Tiger??
>>>>>It is possible??
>>>>>
>>>>>We can remember that Rebel Century is sure better against humans.
>>>>
>>>>I do not know it.
>>>>We know nothing about the question which program is best against humans at
>>>>tournament time control thanks to Fide that does not let computers to be rated.
>>>>
>>>>I suspect that Fide may be one of the reasons of the good result of programs
>>>>against humans(Humans are more motivated to win other humans and not to win
>>>>computers because they know their games against computers are not included for
>>>>the rating list)
>>>>
>>>>This problem can be solved only if the humans get money for winning or drawing
>>>>against computers that is eqvivalent to the rating change that they could get
>>>>from not losing aginst the computer in fair conditions.
>>>
>>>You can argue about the rating change, but they are playing this tournament for
>>>money. A win, loss, or draw counts in the standings in the tournament and prize
>>>money. Unless my information I have is incorrect.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>
>>And I would add also the "ego" factor that in chess players, especially at that
>>level, is quite high indeed.
>>In that sense being beated by a "stupid machine" can be quite frustrating...
>
>I do not believe that they care about it.
>
>I understand that most of the opponents even did not buy tiger so it seems that
>they do not care much about the result.
>
>Uri

Are you sure ?
I know quite well the psychology of the chess players and the inner struggle for
the victory is always prevailing against the "vile money", because as I said the
ego at those mastery level is pretty developed.
So I believe that a lose game is always burning... and that is worst if it is a
lose against a brainless robot.
BTW How do you know if they didn't buy Tiger ? Did they swear this to you ? Just
curious...






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