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Subject: Re: Chess Tigger Better against humans than against computers??

Author: Mark Young

Date: 05:28:18 07/03/01

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On July 03, 2001 at 08:19:14, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 03, 2001 at 08:14:27, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>
>>On July 03, 2001 at 07:47:57, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On July 03, 2001 at 07:01:35, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 03, 2001 at 05:47:22, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 03, 2001 at 04:37:17, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 03, 2001 at 03:33:58, Adolfo Bormida wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>According the games played, I have *only* the suspect that CT 14 maybe is more
>>>>>>>strong against humans than against computer. Gambit Tiger 2 is ahead in the
>>>>>>>Sweden List, but against hummans is better than Tiger??
>>>>>>>It is possible??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We can remember that Rebel Century is sure better against humans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do not know it.
>>>>>>We know nothing about the question which program is best against humans at
>>>>>>tournament time control thanks to Fide that does not let computers to be rated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I suspect that Fide may be one of the reasons of the good result of programs
>>>>>>against humans(Humans are more motivated to win other humans and not to win
>>>>>>computers because they know their games against computers are not included for
>>>>>>the rating list)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This problem can be solved only if the humans get money for winning or drawing
>>>>>>against computers that is eqvivalent to the rating change that they could get
>>>>>>from not losing aginst the computer in fair conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can argue about the rating change, but they are playing this tournament for
>>>>>money. A win, loss, or draw counts in the standings in the tournament and prize
>>>>>money. Unless my information I have is incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>And I would add also the "ego" factor that in chess players, especially at that
>>>>level, is quite high indeed.
>>>>In that sense being beated by a "stupid machine" can be quite frustrating...
>>>
>>>I do not believe that they care about it.
>>>
>>>I understand that most of the opponents even did not buy tiger so it seems that
>>>they do not care much about the result.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Are you sure ?
>>I know quite well the psychology of the chess players and the inner struggle for
>>the victory is always prevailing against the "vile money", because as I said the
>>ego at those mastery level is pretty developed.
>>So I believe that a lose game is always burning... and that is worst if it is a
>>lose against a brainless robot.
>>BTW How do you know if they didn't buy Tiger ? Did they swear this to you ? Just
>>curious...
>
>I do not know but it is my impression based on the facts that I read and based
>on the results.
>I know that in one game tiger was out of book after 1.c3 and nobody tried to
>play 1.c3 again.
>
>I understood that the player who played 1.c3 did not try to get tiger out of
>book and it is simply his usual style and he only owns Fritz and not Tiger.

I searched for games of his with 1.c3, could not find any. He may play it, but I
am not sure that it is his usual style.

I would not think 1.c3 is any top players usual style when playing the stronger
players. Computers, weaker players, maybe for shock value from time to time, but
usual style... I would like to see how many rated games he has with 1.c3. If you
can find them, I would like to see how many.

>
>Uri



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